Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel

From	Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel
Date	2015-10-31 20:17 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> writes:

> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 7:56:56 AM UTC-4, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>> > On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 9:03:41 PM UTC-4, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> >> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> writes:
>> >> 
>> >> > On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 6:45:05 PM UTC-4, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> >> >> Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> writes:
>> >> >> <snip>
>> >> >> > Off topic I know, but it is the weekend...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > In C++ the destructor is called when the object goes out of scope,
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> That's not really true.  It's a common shorthand (I've probably said it
>> >> >> myself) but it's wrong in two ways.  First objects don't have scope --
>> >> >> only names have scope.
>> >> >
>> >> > In CAlive, objects have scope.
>> >> 
>> >> That's your prerogative.  But CAlive's names also have a normal-sense
>> >> scope, and it's objects also have a normal-sense lifetime.
>> >
>> > What's the difference between scope and lifetime?
>> 
>> Why are you asking me?  It's very easy to find out from the web and you
>> are much more likely to believe what you read there than anything I
>> might write.
>
> I looked it up before I asked.  And whereas I recognize what the formal
> definitions are, I don't think they're truly fundamentally isolated or
> connected, except as by established protocol.  I think fundamentally
> they are different than is commonly applied.

I'm having trouble understanding that.  I think it means that you have
understood these terms in a fundamental way that has eluded the rest of
us.  Let's take that as a working assumption...  You can't educate me to
the true nature of scope and lifetime simply by using the words in a way
that looks incorrect to people who have not had your insight.

(However, please don't try.)

<snip>
-- 
Ben.

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CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 18:18 -0700
  Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 18:23 -0700
  Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-30 14:27 +1300
    Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 19:18 -0700
      Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-10-29 22:29 -0700
        Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-29 22:53 -0700
          Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-10-30 08:40 +0000
            Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-30 01:49 -0700
              Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-30 09:15 +0000
              Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 05:37 -0700
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-30 14:25 +0100
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 06:35 -0700
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-30 16:34 +0100
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 08:44 -0700
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-30 13:32 +0000
          Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 05:34 -0700
            Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-10-30 13:13 +0000
              Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 06:25 -0700
            Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-31 11:03 +1300
              Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 15:17 -0700
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-31 16:55 +1300
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 21:13 -0700
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 21:36 -0700
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-31 17:44 +1300
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 21:53 -0700
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 21:57 -0700
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-31 22:16 +1300
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 09:50 -0700
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-31 01:52 -0700
              Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-30 22:44 +0000
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 16:14 -0700
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-31 01:03 +0000
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 19:14 -0700
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-31 11:56 +0000
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 09:55 -0700
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-31 20:17 +0000
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 14:27 -0700
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-31 22:38 +0000
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-10-31 10:44 -0400
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-31 12:16 -0700
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-31 13:13 +1300
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-30 22:17 -0400
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-30 22:31 -0400
        Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-10-30 01:42 -0700
      Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-30 09:38 +0000
        Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 04:35 -0700
          Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-30 14:10 +0100
            Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 06:21 -0700
              Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-30 16:43 +0100
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 08:55 -0700
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-31 11:09 +1300
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 15:19 -0700
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-01 00:47 +0100
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 17:24 -0700
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-01 23:39 +0100
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 16:50 -0800
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-11-01 23:22 -0800
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-02 13:54 +0000
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 06:23 -0800
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-01 18:46 -0800
            Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-30 13:55 +0000
  Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-30 10:16 +0100
    Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 05:39 -0700
      Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-30 14:38 +0100
        Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 06:59 -0700
          Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-30 14:41 +0000
            Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 08:31 -0700
            Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 08:38 -0700
            Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2015-10-30 08:39 -0700
              Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-10-30 15:20 -0700
          Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-30 16:48 +0100
            Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 09:07 -0700
              Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-01 14:53 +0100
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-01 06:12 -0800
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-02 14:16 +0000
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 06:25 -0800
                CLC as a dating site (Was: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-11-01 14:33 +0000
                Re: CLC as a dating site (Was: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 06:45 -0800
                Re: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:53 -0800
                Using CLC for crowdsourcing (Was: CAlive special use instance class, called an angel) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-11-01 15:56 +0000

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