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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking |
| Date | 2015-07-21 00:32 -0700 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
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stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) writes: >>> Even the Lite compiler comes with full source code for the target. >>Does that include the target-resident interpreter > That's what I just said, so yes. Oh neat, thanks! Is there a url where I can download it? I had expected "compiler" was a cross-compiler where "source code for the target" meant an address interpreter that would run headless code sent by the closed-source compiler. The text interpreter running on the target sounded different so I had to ask for clarification. > If code speed doesn't matter, use a Linux system to soak up all > those free cycles. It's interesting that a Raspberry Pi is cheaper > than an Arduino. There are some expensive Arduinos but the entry level ones are much cheaper than an RPi, plus they are way smaller and use much less power. If you include the sub-Arduinos based on the ATTiny85, some of them are really small and cheap: https://www.olimex.com/Products/Duino/AVR/OLIMEXINO-85S/ http://digistump.com/products/1 They are too small (8k flash) to run a good resident Forth, but it would be really cool to support them with a cross compiler. > Being able to write interrupt handlers in high-level is the killer > item for any high-level language. I haven't written an ARM/Cortex ISR > in assembler for 10-15 years except to prove that I still know how. Hmm, I guess that could be an issue for some things. But even on an 8 Mhz part (the 5 volt AVR's are 12-16 mhz) you can usually afford a few microseconds per interrupt, which is enough to run a bit of threaded interpreted Forth code. > The AVR only has three address registers. That's good enough for C's > single frame stack, but not for Forth. I'm not sure but I thought the AVR had a hardware stack pointer that (like the program counter) is independent of the general purpose registers. So with subroutine threading you don't need an address register (pair) for the R stack. You can relative CALL to an address within 2k words of the current pc in one 16-bit instruction word, which should work out nicely for a small Forth. I haven't looked at Amforth though. > A Cortex-M0 makes a far better Forth engine than an AVR ... and is > probably cheaper. We had an AVR target for while - it was swept aside > by ARM. The AVR has its good points including the PDIP-packaged (breadboard friendly) Atmega328 having >2x more capacity than the MSP430G2553 while costing around the same. There aren't many PDIP ARM's. Plus the AVR can drive quite a lot of current from its gpio pins, enough to run stuff like relays and leds. Hardware guys tell me features like this keep the AVR attractive. I get the impression that ARMs are harder to program at the low level, but I haven't tried it yet.
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Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-07-14 08:13 -0700
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-07-14 08:16 -0700
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-14 09:23 -0700
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-07-15 04:03 -0700
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking Matthias Koch <matthias.koch@hot.uni-hannover.de> - 2015-07-15 14:02 +0200
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-07-15 16:34 +0000
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking Matthias Koch <matthias.koch@hot.uni-hannover.de> - 2015-07-16 12:26 +0200
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-07-16 12:10 +0000
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking Gary Bergstrom <forthprgrmr@gmail.com> - 2015-07-17 06:48 -0700
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-07-17 16:21 -0400
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking Matthias Koch <matthias.koch@hot.uni-hannover.de> - 2015-07-20 11:57 +0200
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-07-20 12:37 +0000
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking Gary Bergstrom <forthprgrmr@gmail.com> - 2015-07-20 10:42 -0700
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-07-21 11:29 +0000
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-20 11:48 -0700
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-07-20 22:53 +0000
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-21 00:32 -0700
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-07-21 08:03 +0000
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-21 01:33 -0700
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-10 16:54 -0700
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-07-21 05:18 +0000
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-07-21 08:20 +0000
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-07-20 12:09 -0400
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2015-07-20 14:02 -0700
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-21 15:03 -0700
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-07-21 21:59 -0700
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-03 23:30 +0200
Re: Arduino Due - small FORTH Computer - Multitasking JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2015-08-10 03:11 -0700
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