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Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead?

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"BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> "Kaz Kylheku" <kaz@kylheku.com> wrote in message
> news:20140331112157.632@kylheku.com...
> > On 2014-03-31, glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:
> >> BartC <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
> 
> >>> End-of-file checking in C is a bit funny, because you only get an
> >>> eof status after attempting to read input.
> >>
> >> Seems to me that Pascal is funny, in that it tests EOF before reading
> >> the end of file.
> >
> > In the Pascal wrong, this design is acknowledged as being wrong
> > because it's
> > not repeated Wirth's successors to Pascal like Oberon and Modula 2.
> >
> > Modula 2 calls streams "channels".  A read operation produces a result
> > which is tested afterward. For instance, ReadChar tries to read a
> > character
> > and store it to a CHAR location via a VAR parameter. Afer ReacChar,
> > you have to call ReadResult on the channel. Only if that result is
> > allRight
> > was the character read successfully.
> 
> Wrong or not, the Pascal design is far simpler to use. For example, I
> can write an outline file-processing loop right now:
> 
> while (!eof(f)) {
>     .....
> }
> 
> before I even have any idea of what's to go in the loop!

If you don't know what's going on in the loop, perhaps you
shouldn't be writing it at all?

> Or I can
> change the kind of reads I want to do, while the loop logic stays the
> same.

False. You need to change the return value checks to match
the kinds of reads that you're doing. And if you need to 
to that, when why not just have the check in the while's
conditional clause?

> It also means the main read function can actually be in the body
> of the loop, instead of always being part of the loop condition; not
> quite as readable.

Only if you're not familiar with, or simply intrinsically biased
against, that convention. For me, as long as the read functions 
are sane (and in case they're not there's always the possibility
of creating sane wrappers) it's a perfectly readable convention. 

Phil
-- 
Religion is too important a matter to its devotees to be a subject of 
ridicule. If they indulge in absurdities, they are to be pitied rather
than ridiculed. -- Immanuel Kant (1724-1804), lecture at Konigsberg, 1775

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How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? rivkaumiller@gmail.com - 2014-03-30 19:04 -0700
  Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2014-03-30 22:31 -0400
    Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? rivkaumiller@gmail.com - 2014-03-30 19:43 -0700
      Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2014-03-30 23:09 -0400
  Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? rivkaumiller@gmail.com - 2014-03-30 19:35 -0700
  Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? rivkaumiller@gmail.com - 2014-03-30 19:47 -0700
    Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-03-31 11:53 +0100
      Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-03-31 17:50 +0000
        Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-03-31 18:55 +0000
          Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-03-31 22:51 +0100
            Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-03-31 22:46 +0000
              Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-01 00:03 +0100
              Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-03-31 20:33 -0400
                Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-01 09:35 +0100
                Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-01 07:35 -0700
                Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-01 17:19 +0100
                Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-01 10:14 -0700
                Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-01 18:59 +0100
                Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2014-04-04 00:29 -0700
                Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-04 12:35 +0100
                Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? Seungbeom Kim <musiphil@bawi.org> - 2014-04-08 11:48 -0700
                Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2014-04-08 15:52 -0700
                Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-02 18:38 +0000
                Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-02 11:48 -0700
                Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-02 23:18 +0000
                Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-03 00:05 +0000
                Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-02 21:12 -0400
                Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-02 19:16 -0700
                Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-03 03:16 +0000
                Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-02 15:07 -0400
                Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-01 23:00 +0100
                Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? Seungbeom Kim <musiphil@bawi.org> - 2014-04-08 11:56 -0700
            Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-04-01 02:14 +0300
            Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-01 04:52 +0000
              Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-01 09:56 +0100
  Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-03-30 22:49 -0400
  Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-03-30 22:58 -0400
    Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? rivkaumiller@gmail.com - 2014-03-31 09:10 -0700
      Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-03-31 12:25 -0400
      Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-03-31 10:56 -0700
  Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-03-30 23:09 -0400
  Re: How to modify ((c=getchar())!=NULL) to use fscanf or scanf instead? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-03-31 08:55 -0700

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