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Re: Product LockIn

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On 27 Mar 2016, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 27/03/16 15:45, Bit Twister wrote:
(snip)
>> I can not prove that offhand, but I believe there is a fetchmail
>> option to have the mail remain on the server or not, your choice in
>> the fetchmail config file.

Yes, it's what keep/nokeep is about?

> Not with IMAP. The whole point of IMAP is that all the clients synch to 
> a single online server space.

You're sure of that? My memory of fetchmail is that it can delete them
from IMAP just fine on download and a look at the current docs seems to
confirm that. I even find threads from fetchmail users who are unhappy
that it is deleting their IMAP-accessed mail from the server!

> "IMAP was designed with the goal of permitting complete management of an 
> email box by multiple email clients, Therefore, clients generally leave 
> messages on the server until the user explicitly deletes them"

"Generally". For instance I grab my mail via IMAP using Gnus with
(setq mail-source-delete-incoming t) and that works just fine to
delete them.

> POP is a 'store till I download' protocol. Imap is not.

IMAP is very flexible.

(snip)
>> Replying or sending in that methodology no longer works because my
>> mail is being rejected because reverse dns look up fails because my MTA
>> is not in a registered domain or some such thing.
>
> MMm. you need a smart host then.

Absolutely.

> Oddly enough, getting a virtual private server for a fistful of dollars, 
> and a small fist at that - is no big deal and is probably te easiest way 
> to have your own domain and email setup entirely under your control, 
> independent from any ISP,  and accessible how you want and where you want.

That's exactly what I do, but it's not for those who don't want to learn
how to configure and maintain a mailserver. It's easy not to notice you
messed things up and can cause real problems if you did.

-- Mark

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Product LockIn no.top.post@gmail.com - 2016-03-25 12:54 +0000
  Re: Product LockIn Henrik Carlqvist <Henrik.Carlqvist@deadspam.com> - 2016-03-25 14:10 +0000
  Re: Product LockIn Rick Pikul/Chakat Firepaw <chakatfirepaw@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 22:52 +0000
    Re: Product LockIn Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 12:53 +0000
      Re: Product LockIn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-26 13:07 +0000
      Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-03-26 15:18 +0100
        Re: Product LockIn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-26 15:04 +0000
          Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-03-26 21:25 +0100
            Re: Product LockIn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-27 12:05 +0100
              Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-03-27 15:57 +0200
                Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-03-29 12:26 +0200
              Re: Product LockIn Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-03-27 14:45 +0000
                Re: Product LockIn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-27 16:25 +0100
                Re: Product LockIn Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-03-27 16:05 +0000
                Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-03-29 04:35 +0200
                Re: Product LockIn Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2016-03-31 01:59 +0000
                Re: Product LockIn Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2016-03-30 21:15 -0700
                Re: Product LockIn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-31 11:05 +0100
                Re: Product LockIn Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-31 13:11 +0100
                Re: Product LockIn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-31 15:35 +0100
                Re: Product LockIn Charlie <cdknospam@msn.com> - 2016-03-31 12:10 -0400
                Re: Product LockIn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-31 22:36 +0100
                Re: Product LockIn rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-03-31 16:00 -0400
                Re: Product LockIn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-31 22:35 +0100
                Re: Product LockIn rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-03-31 18:11 -0400
                Re: Product LockIn Graham. <alt.f7-fsks89j@yopmail.com> - 2016-04-04 22:26 +0100
                Re: Product LockIn Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2016-03-31 21:45 -0700
                Re: Product LockIn Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-03-31 06:14 -0500
                Re: Product LockIn Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2016-03-31 13:24 +0000
                Re: Product LockIn noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> - 2016-04-01 13:19 +1000
                Re: Product LockIn Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2016-03-31 21:52 -0700
                Re: Product LockIn Chick Tower <c.tower@deadspam.com> - 2016-03-31 16:36 +0000
                Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-04-01 03:45 +0200
                Re: Product LockIn Mark Carroll <mtbc@ixod.org> - 2016-03-27 18:14 +0100
                Re: Product LockIn Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-03-27 20:52 +0100
                Re: Product LockIn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-28 01:12 +0100
                Re: Product LockIn Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-03-28 04:04 -0300
                Re: Product LockIn Mark Carroll <mtbc@ixod.org> - 2016-03-28 08:32 +0100
                Re: Product LockIn Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-03-28 11:47 +0100
                Re: Product LockIn Aaron Baugher <aaron@baugher.biz> - 2016-03-28 07:07 -0500
                Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-03-29 04:32 +0200
        Re: Product LockIn no.top.post@gmail.com - 2016-03-28 02:55 +0000
          Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-03-29 04:44 +0200
      Re: Product LockIn Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-03-26 19:05 +0000
      Re: Product LockIn Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-03-26 16:37 -0300
  Re: Product LockIn sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2016-03-30 14:37 +0000

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