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Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...?

From Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c++
Subject Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...?
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Date 2012-04-13 06:59 +0100
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Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> writes:

> Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> You could define 
>> 
>> * a language that forces copyable object to have a java-like
>>  user-provided clone() for all objects, and no implicit copying or
>>  assignment for user defined types (just as many C++ polymorphic
>>  classes do)
>> * or a language where every object acted like std::shared_ptr 
>> * or even (god forbid) a language where every object acted like
>>  std::auto_ptr
>> 
>> and still have RAII, just as long as you had destruction when the last
>> reference vanished.
>
>   I suppose you could, but then you would be seriously hindering the
> flexibility and efficiency of the language. 

Oh, undeniably. It would be a pretty terrible general purpose language -
although the first one isn't massively removed from Java (which is why
Java containers sucked for so long). 

But it might be a useful tool in certain domains, and you could still
use exceptions to provide error handling, coupled with RAII to provided
deterministic resource management.  

RAII is a necessary condition for a language not to suck, but its not
sufficient. :)

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Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Noah Roberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-04-10 13:47 -0700
  Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2012-04-10 14:36 -0700
    Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Noah Roberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-04-11 09:10 -0700
      Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2012-04-11 12:28 -0700
        Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Noah Roberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-04-11 13:29 -0700
          Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 02:29 +0100
          Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 14:31 -0700
            Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Noah Roberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 16:48 -0700
              Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2012-04-13 02:34 +0200
                Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> - 2012-04-13 10:57 +0900
                Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2012-04-13 09:52 +0200
                Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-04-13 10:48 +0100
                Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> - 2012-04-13 22:18 +0900
                Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Noah Roberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-04-13 09:21 -0700
        Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-04-11 21:36 +0000
          Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Noah Roberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-04-11 16:07 -0700
            Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2012-04-12 06:10 +0000
              Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 18:18 +0100
                Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2012-04-13 04:52 +0000
                Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-04-13 06:59 +0100
                Never using free() or realloc().  Destroying heaps.  @Jeff-Relf.Me - 2012-04-13 00:55 -0700
      Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-04-11 21:28 +0100
        Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Noah Roberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-04-11 13:40 -0700
          Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 02:27 +0100
            Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-04-12 17:25 +0000
              Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 19:21 +0100
            Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Noah Roberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 16:38 -0700
              Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-04-13 11:02 +0100
          Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com - 2012-04-13 00:29 -0700
      Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com - 2012-04-13 00:14 -0700

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