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| From | Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: Pointers, constant values |
| Date | 2015-10-19 12:55 +0100 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <871tcrkr8i.fsf@bsb.me.uk> (permalink) |
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Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> On 19/10/2015 01:45, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>
>>> (No-one has yet mentioned how this works in other languages. Pointers
>>> and arrays being interchangeable must surely be only another C thing.)
>>
>> It's very neat in Go:
>>
>> func amax(data []int) int {
>> if l := len(data); l > 1 {
>> return max(amax(data[:l/2]), amax(data[l/2:]));
>> }
>> return data[0]
>> }
>
>> function Amax(A: IntArray) return Integer is
>> return Integer'Max(Amax(A(A'First .. A'First + L/2 - 1)),
>
> So, they are both dealing with arrays or slices as parameters and
> within the function. Neither uses raw pointers and offsets into array
> elements in the user code (although no doubt that goes on internally).
Yes.
> Why then shouldn't I try to do the same in C? The whole point of the
> sub-thread is that C has some of that capability, even if you wouldn't
> normally use it because the code is also more unwieldy (not a problem
> for generated code).
You can't pass an array or a slice in C so you have to pick some other
type. I don't think there is any point in re-hashing the arguments
about which type is the best one to use. Anyone not already convinced
by your example won't budge now.
<snip>
> (One observation on the A[n:] and A[:n] syntax: I used that in a
> recent language, but found it really unintuitive. I replaced it with
> left(A,n) and right(A,n). You get a hint of why, here: A[n:] is the
> right part of the array, not the left!
I don't find A[n:] and A[:n] unclear but I am not a fan of debates about
the details of syntax. I will, however, note something abut your
preferred names. Some people are left and right "blind" -- the words
have almost no meaning to them (other than being complimentary) unless
they stop and think about which is which. Such people would not care if
data[l/2:] is the left or the right part. What they (and indeed
everyone) really cares about is what *indexes* are included, so I might
choose first(n, data) and last(n, data) rather than left and right.
> It's not so bad with full specified slice of A[m:n])
FIW, Go's full slice has three parts where the third gives the capacity.
>>> I never use const (why not would be another thread). My code was a
>>> self-contained program and it worked fine without it.
>>
>> But any claim to know what the proper type to use must apply to C as a
>> whole. If all you meant is that "it works for me and the kind of C I
>> write" then I doubt I'd have taken the bait! Pointers to array types
>> have const issues, and these should be part of a discussion of which
>> wrong type us best to use for passing arrays around.
>
> Where's the 'const' equivalent in those examples above from other
> languages?
The translations given are, as far as I know, as close as the languages
in question can get. The Ada parameter is, by default, "in" only and Go
has no way to mark as slice as read-only.
--
Ben.
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