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Re: absence of max

From Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: absence of max
Date 2016-12-03 21:31 +0000
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
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"James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> writes:

> On 12/02/2016 09:11 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> writes:
>>
>>> On 12/2/2016 8:11 PM, BartC wrote:
>>>> On 03/12/2016 00:32, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>>> On 12/2/2016 4:34 PM, supercat@casperkitty.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Of course typedef is useful when applied to things that behave like
>>>>>> value
>>>>>> objects; I'm less convinced of the utility of the way it is defined for
>>>>>> arrays.  Given:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     int foo(thing bar)
>>>>>>     {
>>>>>>       thing boz;
>>>>>>       ...
>>>>>>     }
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it would seem logical that "bar" and "boz" should have the same type;
>>>>>> even
>>>>>> if use of [] syntax within a parameter list of whatever form would get
>>>>>> reinterpreted as a pointer, that wouldn't imply that array types should
>>>>>> sport that same behavior in cases which don't use that syntax.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They will have exactly the same type.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting. When I run the  code below, I get this output:
>>>>
>>>>  sizeof(bar) = 4
>>>>  sizeof(boz) = 16
>>>>
>>>> If they're exactly the same type, how do you explain this result?
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------
>>>> #include <stdio.h>
>>>>
>>>> typedef int thing[4];
>>>>
>>>> void foo(thing bar){
>>>>   thing boz;
>>>>
>>>>   printf("sizeof(bar) = %d\n",sizeof bar);
>>>>   printf("sizeof(boz) = %d\n",sizeof boz);
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> int main(void) {
>>>>   thing x;
>>>>   foo(x);
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>
>>> Because both are of type int[] or int * const.  You can use either
>
> Jerry's explanation for the following results:
>
>     sizeof(bar) = 4
>     sizeof(boz) = 16
>
> is that bar and boz both have the same type?

So it wold seem.

> I'd recommend adding in sizeof(int*) and sizeof(int[4]) for comparison.
>
>>> syntax with either bar or boz.
>>
>> No, bar has type int * and boz has type int [4].
>
> I'd expect any reasonably normal person to accept that if bar and boz
> have different sizes, it means they must have different types. This is
> Jerry, however, so such rules don't apply.
> C2011 adds a feature that allows us to check this directly (which
> won't necessarily convince Jerry, either):
>
> #include <stdio.h>
> #define TYPE(a) _Generic(a, \
>     int*:"int *", int[4]:"int[4]", default:"other")
>
> typedef int thing[4];
> void foo(thing bar)
> {
>    thing boz;
>    printf("%s:%s\n", "bar", TYPE(bar));
>    printf("%s:%s\n", "boz", TYPE(boz));
> }
>
> int main(int argc, char *argv[])
> {
>     foo(&argc);
>
>     return 0;
> }
>
> Unfortunately, the compiler I currently have access to doesn't support
> C2011. Therefore, I can't confirm whether I've used _Generic
> correctly, nor can I confirm the results. Could someone who has a
> compiler that does support _Generic() check this out?

_Generic tests for compatible types rather than identical types, and it
also uses the type of the expression and not the type of the object.  To
see that the objects bar and boz have different types (using _Generic)
you'd need to use some other expression where array types are not
converted.  For example

  _Generic(&bar, int **: ..., int (*)[4]: ...);
  _Generic(&boz, int **: ..., int (*)[4]: ...);

but, frankly, if the different sizes do not persuade someone, this won't
make much difference.

There are many way in which bar and boz are obviously of different types
but it's hard to know what might ever tip the balance.  There's the fact
that the sizes are different, the fact that &bar and &boz are not
compatible types, the fact that the expression `bar' is an lvalue but
`boz' is not...  Maybe he will be persuaded by C++ where you can test
directly:

  int foo(thing bar)
  {
       thing boz;
       return typeid(bar) == typeid(boz);
  }

(You can also print typeid(bar).name() and typeid(boz).name(), but the
results, though clearly different to each other, are encoded (Pi and
A4_i for my version of g++).

-- 
Ben.

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                Re: absence of max cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2016-12-10 04:44 +0000
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                Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-18 16:51 +0100
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                Re: absence of max Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-12-19 15:11 -0800
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                Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-12 04:12 +0000
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                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-06 06:10 -0800
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                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-07 16:24 -0800
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                Re: absence of max Robert Spanjaard <spamtrap@arumes.com> - 2016-12-17 14:45 +0100
                Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-17 10:01 -0500
                Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-17 11:27 -0800
                People who confuse and jumble up the difference between past, present, and future (Was: absence of max) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-12-17 20:07 +0000
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                Re: absence of max Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-11 20:56 +1300
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                Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-09 13:54 +0000
                Re: absence of max Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-12-10 07:54 -0800
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                Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-09 10:21 -0500
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                Re: absence of max cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2016-12-10 04:37 +0000
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                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-08 07:52 -0800
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                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-08 14:46 -0800
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                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-13 13:38 -0800
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                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-14 08:17 -0800
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                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-14 16:53 -0800
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                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-15 08:54 -0800
                Re: absence of max raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2016-12-15 19:55 +0000
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                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-15 14:20 -0800
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                Re: absence of max Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2016-12-16 07:00 +0000
                Re: absence of max Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-16 08:21 +0000
                Re: absence of max Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2016-12-16 21:10 +0000
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                Re: absence of max raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2016-12-20 09:03 +0000
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                Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-14 19:05 +0100
                Re: absence of max Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-12-14 22:46 -0800
                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-08 15:58 -0800
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                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-09 07:25 -0800
                Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-09 11:29 -0800
                Re: absence of max Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-12-10 09:07 -0800
                Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-10 14:20 -0800
                Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-09 21:31 +0000
                Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-09 23:15 -0500
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