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Re: Kelsey Bjarnason is just another COLA ass hole.

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On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 19:27:25 -0400, Big Fish in a Small Crotch wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:22:05 -0700, Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
> 
>> [snips]
>> 
>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:02:02 -0700, John Gohde wrote:
>> 
>>> Then ...
>>> http://cinnamon-spices.linuxmint.com/applets
>>> 
>>> Notice, the clear separation of 32-bit ONLY Applets from 64-bit
>>> Applets - NOT.
>> 
>> This "applet" thingy looks like a mint+cinnamon specific thing.  I do
>> use mint, don't use cinnamon, don't encounter this "issue" and frankly
>> don't really care.
>> 
>> It's pretty simple: if you don't like the way Mint+Cinnamon does
>> things, then you have two choices: 1) fix it, 2) don't use it.
>> 
>> You prefer option 3, "whine like a toddler who dropped his lollipop."
>> 
>> Pathetic.  Fix it or forget it, but man, you are in *sore* need of a
>> life.
> 
> I have no problems with LinuxMint 64 bit.
> It's actually one of the better versions of Linux.

Like anything in life - Windows, LGX or otherwise - it ain't perfect, but 
it's reasonably good.

I was going to say "it does most of what I need an OS to do", but a 
moments' reflection suggests this is the wrong way to look at it.  
Mostly, an OS's job is to be invisible, a black box between interface, 
application and information.  Meaning, as a trivial example, the user 
shouldn't even be aware of whether he's running LGX, Windows, OSX or 
something else, if his goal is to simply open and edit a document or 
check his email.

What LGX does for me that the others don't is it leaves me more or less 
the fuck alone.

Case in point.  Many moons ago, I was doing some web development.  I had 
an XP box to work on.  No worries, runs MS's server offering.  Except 
that it doesn't; it runs a crippled, stripped-down version of the server, 
which supports few sites and fewer connections (or the other way around).

Why?  The hardware is capable of handling 100 sites and 1,000 
connections, so why can't you use what you need?  Oh, right, because the 
OS is *designed* to be crippled, to get in the way, to stop you doing 
your job.

Well, fine, move to a server edition.  Now the web server works, but the 
AV tools stopped working, insisting that if you're running a server, you 
must be made out of money, so buy the corporate edition.

This sort of "fuck the user, give us money" mentality is great if you're 
the one getting paid, not so great if you're the one trying to get things 
done.

LGX, by contrast, rarely if ever applies such arbitrary limits.  You want 
to run a web server?  Go ahead.  Want it to host 1,000 sites?  No prob.  
Need 10,000 connections?  If your hardware will keep up, go for it.

In short the OS, to all intents and purposes, simply ceases to exist as 
an entity of concern; it is over there, in the background, out of the 
way, simply letting you get on with your task.

Are there cases where Windows is a better alternative?  Not really, but 
there are cases where it is the only viable option.

Case in point: DVD ripping.  Want to back up your DVDs to streamable 
files, then tuck the disks away for safe keeping?  LGX's offerings in 
this are improving steadily, but aren't quite on a part with the 
commercial offerings... which are more or less Windows-centric.

Again, though, it's that whole mentality of "fuck the user, give us 
money".  First from the media houses, trying to make things copy proof,so 
even legitimate users can't make backup copies; second from the OS vendor 
who thinks fucking the users over this way is a *Good Thing* (tm).  You 
know, the guys who built all that DRM shit into their OS from the drivers 
on up.

I don't mind Windows being good or bad, or better than LGX or worse, or 
even cheaper or more expensive.  I *do* mind being expected to pay for 
it, only to have some corporate jackass inform me that no, sorry, my own 
legitimately-purchased media is not something I am allowed to make copies 
of for my own purposes, or that my hardware should have completely 
pointless, arbitrary limits imposed upon it, all to feed someone else's 
pocketbook.

It's not Windows *per se* which is the problem; it is the culture of 
unlimited greed which it represents that is the problem.  Windows is just 
a particularly in-your-face example of Greed Gone Wild.

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64-bit Linux ... What a Joke! John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-10-28 04:17 -0700
  Re: 64-bit Linux ... What a Joke! vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-10-28 19:30 +0000
    Re: 64-bit Linux ... What a Joke! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-10-28 20:49 +0100
      Köhlmann, try removing that bug that crawled up your arse some 20-years ago. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-10-28 14:11 -0700
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      Re: 64-bit Linux ... What a Joke! William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-10-28 22:02 +0000
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          Re: Another Idiot Troll ... What a Joke! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 15:28 +0000
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          Re: 64-bit Linux ... What a Joke! Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-10-29 19:00 -0500
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              Re: 64-bit Linux ... What a Joke! Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-10-30 01:26 +0100
                Re: 64-bit Linux ... What a Joke! Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-29 20:31 -0400
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                Re: 64-bit Linux ... What a Joke! "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-10-29 20:46 -0400
                The mind/body weakens with age. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-10-30 01:20 -0700
                Re: 64-bit Linux ... What a Joke! "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-10-29 20:41 -0400
                Re: 64-bit Linux ... What a Joke! Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-29 21:22 -0400
                Re: 64-bit Linux ... What a Joke! Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-29 21:42 -0400
                Re: 64-bit Linux ... What a Joke! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-10-30 15:52 -0600
                Old&Ugly. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-10-30 00:52 -0700
                Re: Old&Ugly. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 06:11 -0700
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                Re: 64-bit Linux ... What a Joke! Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-10-29 20:13 -0500
                Re: 64-bit Linux ... What a Joke! Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-29 21:26 -0400
    Re: 64-bit Linux ... What a Joke! John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-10-28 14:08 -0700
    Re: 64-bit Linux ... What a Joke! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-10-28 20:13 -0500
      Re: 64-bit Linux ... What a Joke! John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-10-28 19:11 -0700
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      Re: 64-bit Linux ... What a Joke! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-10-29 06:14 -0400
  Re: 64-bit Linux ... What a Joke! Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2015-10-28 20:56 -0700
    Re: 64-bit Linux ... What a Joke! Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2015-10-28 22:36 -0700
      Takuya Saitoh, as previously exposed by Moi, is a Linux Fraud.  Where is your Linux Distro, Putz? John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 06:25 -0700
        Re: Takuya Saitoh, as previously exposed by Moi, is a Linux Fraud.  Where is your Linux Distro, Putz? Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 08:37 -0700
    Kelsey Bjarnason is just another COLA ass hole. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 06:23 -0700
      Re: Kelsey Bjarnason is just another COLA ass hole. Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-29 10:46 -0400
      Re: Kelsey Bjarnason is just another COLA ass hole. Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 13:06 -0700
        Re: Kelsey Bjarnason is just another COLA ass hole. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 14:02 -0700
          Re: Kelsey Bjarnason is just another COLA ass hole. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-10-30 21:49 +0000
            Re: Kelsey Bjarnason is just another COLA ass hole. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 15:21 -0700
              Re: Kelsey Bjarnason is just another COLA ass hole. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-10-31 08:12 +0000
                Re: Kelsey Bjarnason is just another COLA ass hole. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 03:38 -0700
          Re: Kelsey Bjarnason is just another COLA ass hole. Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 15:08 -0700
            Re: Kelsey Bjarnason is just another COLA ass hole. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 15:12 -0700
          Re: Kelsey Bjarnason is just another COLA ass hole. Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 15:22 -0700
            Re: Kelsey Bjarnason is just another COLA ass hole. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-10-30 19:27 -0400
              Re: Kelsey Bjarnason is just another COLA ass hole. Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 17:59 -0700
            Re: Kelsey Bjarnason is just another COLA ass hole. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 17:31 -0700
            Re: Kelsey Bjarnason is just another COLA ass hole. JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-02 10:31 -0600
              Re: Kelsey Bjarnason is just another COLA ass hole. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 12:06 -0800
                Re: Kelsey Bjarnason is just another COLA ass hole. Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-02 17:38 -0500
                Re: Kelsey Bjarnason is just another COLA ass hole. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 16:09 -0800
              Re: Kelsey Bjarnason is just another COLA ass hole. Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 22:51 -0800
                Why do Fucking Morons like you always manage to congregate in Linux circles? John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 05:26 -0800
    Re: Another Idiot Troll ... What a Joke! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 15:26 +0000
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