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Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime

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Edgar L. Owen wrote:

> […] there […] is a single universal spacetime

Yes, which means within *our* universe.  There is the potential, in some 
(actual) theories even the requirement, of more than one universe.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse>

> with respect to which all individual observer frames make sense to each 
> other.

Not even wrong.

> Because there is a single universal spacetime it is what's absolute and
> invariant.

General relativity, and numerous observations confirming it (the most recent 
ones that gained much media attention were the observation of gravitational 
waves announced in 2016, generated by the merger of two pairs of black holes 
in 2015, respectively[0]; yet another one is expected in a few weeks[1]), 
shows: 

Spacetime is neither absolute nor invariant; it is _dynamic_.  It can be 
curved, and its curvature corresponds to the energy–momentum there; it can 
and does expand and contract.  (Actual) cosmological theories even say that 
it can begin and cease to exist, and the former might be how our universe 
came to be[2] and how it might end[3].

[0] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_wave> pp.

[1] <https://twitter.com/PointedEars2/status/890512934534873088>
    (read “Prove Einstein Right” as “confirm Einstein et al.’s theory;
     I was automatically quoting the referred article’s title)

[2] <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wng6c0oLkQE>
    (Lawrence Krauss: “A Universe from Nothing”, 2017)
 
[3] 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_fate_of_the_universe#False_vacuum> 
p.

> In my view this ST is not physical but a mathematical structure […]

Numerous observations have falsified that view already and are going to do 
it again.
 
> However it's still clear that motion with respect to this absolute
> background produces ACTUAL relativistic effects such as the actual slowing
> of the traveling twin's clock. While motion only with respect to other
> clocks produces only OBSERVATIONAL relativistic effects such as the
> apparent slowing of the earth bound twin's clock as seen from the frame of
> the traveling twin.

Those are one and the same.  You cannot have the twin paradox *without* the 
relativity of simultaneity, time dilation and length contraction.

The twin paradox is a *consequence* of these effects, even though you can 
also explain it with different proper times along different paths connecting 
the same two distinct time-like separated events in a 3+1-dimensional 
pseudo-Riemannian manifold that is spacetime.
 
> Hopefully this clarifies my theory somewhat.

It merely clarifies that indeed you have no clue what you are talking about 
because you have not in any way *studied* what you are talking about, and 
that (therefore) your idea is a far cry from being a (scientific) theory.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime "Edgar L. Owen" <Edgar@edgarlowen.com> - 2017-07-27 05:00 -0700
  Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-27 05:38 -0700
    Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-07-27 15:06 +0200
  Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-07-27 08:16 -0700
  Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 10:57 -0500
    Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime shuba <thailao2558@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 03:29 -0700
      Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-28 03:34 -0700
      Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-07-28 07:34 -0700
      Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-31 09:00 -0500
    Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-29 07:46 -0500
    Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime "Edgar L. Owen" <Edgar@edgarlowen.com> - 2017-07-29 06:28 -0700
      Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime "Edgar L. Owen" <Edgar@edgarlowen.com> - 2017-07-29 06:49 -0700
      Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-07-29 07:38 -0700
      Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-31 09:01 -0500
      Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-31 10:17 -0400
  Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime Ernard Hevalier <adrdo@tarlaab.lr> - 2017-07-27 18:08 +0000
  Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-07-27 22:50 +0200
  Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-29 08:14 -0500
    Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime Jeèným Ludnými <hovae@ieuuio.org> - 2017-07-29 16:00 +0000
  Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-07-29 10:47 -0700

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