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Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin?

Date 2026-06-14 11:55 +0000
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From "David Looser" <david.looser@btinternet.com>
Subject Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin?

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"Stuffed Tiger" <NotMe@NotAnAddress.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:13:38 -0700 (PDT), Jenny6833A
> <Jenny6833A@aol.com> wrote:
>
> ...
>>Hmmmm.  I think you're conceding that the bible wasn't written by, or
>>the writers guided by, some god.
>
> Physics demonstrates the point is impossible to prove one way or the
> other. Not only does nobody know, but it is not possible for anybody
> to ever know. As a result, I now think it is the modern equivalent of
> the angels on pinheads controversy. I feel like an idiot.

Thank you for conceding that one at least.
>
>
>>I think you're also conceding that
>>the intended audience wasn't humanity for the ages, but only the
>>illiterate bronze age herdsmen of the time.
>
> That IS the literal meaning of the text, just like Hamlet was intended
> to make Shakespeare money in the theatres of his day. Nevertheless, it
> is still entertaining audiences today, partly due to the underlying
> universal human issues it addresses, however rightly or wrongly.

You really do seem to have a huge problem with the concept of "literal
meaning" don't you? . Neither Shakespere's motives for writing Hamlet, nor
his (or anyone else's) idea of the moral of the story are relevant to it's
"literal meaning".

I imagine you are familiar with Rudyard Kipling's "Just-So" stories.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_So_Stories

I don't know Kipling's motives for writing these, whether it was to make
money, or merely to amuse some children, or both, it's unimportant. But I'm
sure he didn't regard "The Elephant's Child", for example, as an accurate
description of how elephants come to have trunks. Nevertheless the *literal
meaning* of that story is elephants have trunks for precisely the reason
given in the text.

You suggest in another post that Genesis 2 is just a simple morality tale
"Don't do what you are told not to, or you will be punished" of the sort
that the Victorians were churning out on a daily basis. Well, maybe, but
others see symbolism in the tree, the snake, the nakedness etc. *and you
can't say they are wrong*.

The "Adam and Eve" story reads like a "just-so" story: "How the snake lost
it's Legs", "Why giving birth is so much harder for humans than other
creatures", "Why mankind must work hard to grow food rather than simply
collecting it". Because of that last one some commentators have suggested
that it is, in part, a lament for the ending of the hunter-gatherer way of
life.   Well that one is highly speculative, and would require that this
story is very much older than Genesis (as we know the flood story to be)
since the hunter-gatherer way of life ended in that part of the world many
thousands of years before Genesis was written, and I for one am not
endorsing it. But again it can't be proved wrong.

To sum up; you believe that Genesis 2 is just a simple morality tale about
obedience to God. Well maybe it is and maybe that's all it was ever meant to
be. But that is not, not, NOT!, a "literal reading" of the text!!!!!!

I notice, BTW, that you also claimed that Genesis 1 was a similar "morality
tale". I don't know how you worked that one out, since in Genesis 1 humans
only have a "walk-on" part (or should that be "walk-off"? :-) because they
are simply created and told to go away and reproduce which, presumably, they
do since God reflects that everything he had made was "very good". Perhaps 
you aren't that familiar with the actual text?

David.

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Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "David Looser" <david.looser@btinternet.com> - 2026-06-14 08:31 +0000
  Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Lane <absolutelane@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-14 08:31 +0000
  Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Zee <jonZeee@webtv.net> - 2026-06-14 08:45 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Zee <jonZeee@webtv.net> - 2026-06-14 09:34 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "David Looser" <david.looser@btinternet.com> - 2026-06-14 20:04 +0000
  Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Anna <annaliddell@lycos.com> - 2026-06-14 09:01 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Bert Clanton <abertclanton@comcast.net> - 2026-06-14 11:03 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "Terry J. Wood" <TerryJWood@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-14 13:04 +0000
        Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "Neosapienis" <dariowestern@nospambigpond.com> - 2026-06-14 20:03 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Lane <absolutelane@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-14 17:03 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Anna <annaliddell@lycos.com> - 2026-06-14 18:02 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "Terry J. Wood" <TerryJWood@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-15 05:02 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Anna <annaliddell@lycos.com> - 2026-06-14 17:35 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Zee <jonZeee@webtv.net> - 2026-06-14 18:16 +0000
  Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "David Looser" <david.looser@btinternet.com> - 2026-06-14 09:02 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "Terry J. Wood" <TerryJWood@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-14 09:32 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Dan Abel <dabel@sonic.net> - 2026-06-14 10:19 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Jenny6833A <Jenny6833A@aol.com> - 2026-06-14 11:49 +0000
        Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Dan Abel <dabel@sonic.net> - 2026-06-24 14:44 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "Terry J. Wood" <TerryJWood@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-14 11:01 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? stinson_home@HOTMAIL.COM - 2026-06-14 11:02 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Zee <jonZeee@webtv.net> - 2026-06-14 11:45 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Stuffed Tiger <NotMe@NotAnAddress.com> - 2026-06-14 11:45 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "David Looser" <david.looser@btinternet.com> - 2026-06-14 11:55 +0000
        Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? stinson_home@HOTMAIL.COM - 2026-06-14 13:01 +0000
        Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Clifford <CliffordAlls@aol.com> - 2026-06-14 13:04 +0000
          Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Dan Abel <dabel@sonic.net> - 2026-06-14 13:33 +0000
            Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "Neosapienis" <dariowestern@nospambigpond.com> - 2026-06-14 14:34 +0000
              Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Zee <jonZeee@webtv.net> - 2026-06-14 18:16 +0000
            Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Jenny6833A <Jenny6833A@aol.com> - 2026-06-25 03:59 +0000
        Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Stuffed Tiger <NotMe@NotAnAddress.com> - 2026-06-14 14:06 +0000
          Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Zee <jonZeee@webtv.net> - 2026-06-14 18:02 +0000
          Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "David Looser" <david.looser@btinternet.com> - 2026-06-24 12:11 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "David Looser" <david.looser@btinternet.com> - 2026-06-14 14:02 +0000
        Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Jenny6833A <Jenny6833A@aol.com> - 2026-06-14 17:42 +0000
          Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Stuffed Tiger <NotMe@NotAnAddress.com> - 2026-06-25 00:58 +0000
        Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Stuffed Tiger <NotMe@NotAnAddress.com> - 2026-06-15 02:32 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Stuffed Tiger <NotMe@NotAnAddress.com> - 2026-06-14 13:01 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "David Looser" <david.looser@btinternet.com> - 2026-06-25 00:58 +0000
  Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? stinson_home@HOTMAIL.COM - 2026-06-14 09:02 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Someone <someone@somewhere.com> - 2026-06-14 09:16 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? stinson_home@HOTMAIL.COM - 2026-06-14 20:31 +0000
  Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? BeoWolf <Naturistvideos@gmail.com> - 2026-06-14 09:16 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "Terry J. Wood" <TerryJWood@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-14 11:02 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "Terry J. Wood" <TerryJWood@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-14 12:00 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Lane <absolutelane@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-14 17:15 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "David Looser" <david.looser@btinternet.com> - 2026-06-14 17:35 +0000
  Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Stuffed Tiger <NotMe@NotAnAddress.com> - 2026-06-14 09:34 +0000
  Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Anna <annaliddell@lycos.com> - 2026-06-14 09:34 +0000
  Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Stuffed Tiger <NotMe@NotAnAddress.com> - 2026-06-14 09:35 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "David Looser" <david.looser@btinternet.com> - 2026-06-14 09:35 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Lane <absolutelane@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-14 09:46 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "Terry J. Wood" <TerryJWood@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-14 12:00 +0000
        Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Zee <jonZeee@webtv.net> - 2026-06-24 09:43 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Anna <annaliddell@lycos.com> - 2026-06-14 10:00 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "David Looser" <david.looser@btinternet.com> - 2026-06-14 10:23 +0000
        Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "Terry J. Wood" <TerryJWood@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-14 12:01 +0000
        Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Stuffed Tiger <NotMe@NotAnAddress.com> - 2026-06-14 13:16 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "Terry J. Wood" <TerryJWood@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-14 11:45 +0000
        Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "Terry J. Wood" <TerryJWood@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-14 17:16 +0000
        Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "David Looser" <david.looser@btinternet.com> - 2026-06-14 20:31 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Lane <absolutelane@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-15 05:32 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Jenny6833A <Jenny6833A@aol.com> - 2026-06-14 10:19 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "Richard C. Rivers" <rcmang@comcast.net> - 2026-06-14 11:02 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Jenny6833A <Jenny6833A@aol.com> - 2026-06-14 11:03 +0000
        Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "Terry J. Wood" <TerryJWood@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-14 11:46 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "Terry J. Wood" <TerryJWood@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-14 11:02 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "David Looser" <david.looser@btinternet.com> - 2026-06-14 11:16 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "Terry J. Wood" <TerryJWood@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-14 11:46 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Dan Abel <dabel@sonic.net> - 2026-06-14 17:45 +0000
        Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Zee <jonZeee@webtv.net> - 2026-06-14 19:31 +0000
          Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "Terry J. Wood" <TerryJWood@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-15 06:47 +0000
          Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "David Looser" <david.looser@btinternet.com> - 2026-06-24 22:11 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "David Looser" <david.looser@btinternet.com> - 2026-06-14 11:46 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Lane <absolutelane@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-14 14:34 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Zee <jonZeee@webtv.net> - 2026-06-24 18:11 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Paul <something@somewhere.co.uk> - 2026-06-14 12:00 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Lane <absolutelane@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-14 12:01 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "Terry J. Wood" <TerryJWood@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-25 00:26 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Anna <annaliddell@lycos.com> - 2026-06-14 12:01 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Zee <jonZeee@webtv.net> - 2026-06-14 13:16 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Zee <jonZeee@webtv.net> - 2026-06-14 14:03 +0000
        Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "David Looser" <david.looser@btinternet.com> - 2026-06-14 14:07 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Bert Clanton <abertclanton@comcast.net> - 2026-06-14 19:30 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Stuffed Tiger <NotMe@NotAnAddress.com> - 2026-06-14 12:30 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Stuffed Tiger <NotMe@NotAnAddress.com> - 2026-06-14 12:30 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "David Looser" <david.looser@btinternet.com> - 2026-06-14 12:31 +0000
        Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Zee <jonZeee@webtv.net> - 2026-06-14 18:00 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Someone <someone@somewhere.com> - 2026-06-14 14:01 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Lane <absolutelane@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-14 18:01 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "Fridthjof Andersen" <df@os.dk> - 2026-06-14 14:03 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Anna <annaliddell@lycos.com> - 2026-06-14 14:34 +0000
      Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Lane <absolutelane@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-14 19:15 +0000
        Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Lane <absolutelane@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-14 19:30 +0000
        Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "Terry J. Wood" <TerryJWood@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-14 20:00 +0000
  Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Zee <jonZeee@webtv.net> - 2026-06-14 12:15 +0000
  Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? Lane <absolutelane@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-14 14:01 +0000
    Re: Public Nudity: Innocent or Sin? "Terry J. Wood" <TerryJWood@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-14 20:30 +0000
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