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Re: Float Vs Double

Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Date 2016-08-10 07:56 -0700
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Message-ID <714a9d5d-e72d-4fe5-ae29-2f89a960df68@googlegroups.com> (permalink)
Subject Re: Float Vs Double
From "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>

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On Wednesday, August 10, 2016 at 10:43:15 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
> On 10/08/16 15:13, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 10:26:37 PM UTC-4, Nobody wrote:
> >> On Sun, 07 Aug 2016 17:04:54 -0700, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >>
> >>>> printf("x=%f\n", x);
> >>>> printf("z=%f\n", z);
> >>>> printf("x=%20.18f\n", x);
> >>>> printf("z=%20.18f\n", z);
> >>>
> >>> Shouldn't doubles use %lf?
> >>
> >> The "l" modifier has no effect for floating-point conversions.
> >>
> >> 7.19.6.1p7:
> >>
> >>        l (ell)      Specifies  that a following d, i, o, u, x, or X
> >>                     conversion specifier applies to a long  int  or
> >>                     unsigned  long int argument; that a following n
> >>                     conversion specifier applies to a pointer to  a
> >>                     long   int   argument;   that   a  following  c
> >>                     conversion  specifier  applies  to   a   wint_t
> >>                     argument;   that   a   following  s  conversion
> >>                     specifier applies to a  pointer  to  a  wchar_t
> >>                     argument; or has no effect on a following a, A,
> >>                     e, E, f, F, g, or G conversion specifier.
> >>
> >> A float will automatically be promoted to double when passed as an
> >> argument whose type isn't specified by a function prototype (i.e. if
> >> there's no prototype in scope, or if the function is variadic and the
> >> argument corresponds to the ellipsis rather than to a specified parameter).
> > 
> > FWIW, CAlive would've gotten that wrong (with regards to C).  I would've
> > passed a 32-bit quantity for float, and a 64-bit quantity for double, and
> > would've required use of %f and %lf to access them properly.
> > 
> 
> Does CAlive have variable argument functions like printf?

Yes.  In both native (va_args mode), and a new format I created which
I call an "allow" type, which gives the passed parameter list a token
name to access elements through with [n] references, and dot tags:

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/caliveprogramminglanguage/b52U0R5-gEQ

    -----
    The allow type is used in lieu of "..." to indicate there are additional
    parameters.  It conveys a name through which additional parameters can
    be accessed at runtime, without requiring a va_args solution (Note:
    va_args is still supported).

    To access each element in an allow, use its name[n] reference beginning
    at n=1.  n=0 is reserved for the allow parameter count, as in name[0].

    In addition, dot tags are available which provide typing information for
    each parameter.  Use of name[n].type, for example, returns an integer
    which follows back to a litany of _LIVECODE_ALLOW_TYPE_* constants,
    which resolve to back to their fundamental types (including any* for
    constructed types of class* or struct*)...
    -----

As such, each item can be accessed through iteration, and it's basically
an array of pointers to the real data, along with fundamental typing
information.  It can also be copied, have elements appended to it,
inserted in it at arbitrary locations, deleted from it at arbitrary
locations, etc.

> If I were
> making a new language, I'd drop such functions - they are error prone,
> hard to implement well, and difficult for compile-time checking or
> typing.  In Windows, the 64-bit ABI for function calls is crippled to
> give every function call significantly bigger run-time and stack space
> overhead than necessary simply to support variable argument functions.
> 
> Support for higher level data structures such as tuples or lists would
> make variable argument functions unnecessary.

I have also defined a new calling convention that doesn't use the stack
in its traditional sense for passing all parameters, but rather it is
used to hold a pointer, and for its return address, along with any
allocated local variable space.  CAlive will use this convention for
all internal calls.  When interfacing with the outside world, it will
honor whatever the remote calling convention is.

CAlive essentially creates a custom struct for each function, which it
populates in local variable space (on the stack), which contains both
return parameters, and input parameters, of which there can be zero or
more (up to 10 return parameters, up to 26 I think input parameters).
The structs are created conceptually, and may or may not physically
exist due to optimizations.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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  Re: Float Vs Double Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2016-08-07 18:55 -0400
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      Re: Float Vs Double Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-08-07 19:36 -0700
        Re: Float Vs Double Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-08-08 04:05 +0100
          Re: Float Vs Double Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-08-07 20:41 -0700
            Re: Float Vs Double Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-08-08 11:41 +0100
              Re: Float Vs Double Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-08-08 04:23 -0700
                Re: Float Vs Double Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-08-08 23:45 +0100
                Re: Float Vs Double Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-08-10 03:26 -0700
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        Re: Float Vs Double jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-08-08 08:52 -0700
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          Re: Float Vs Double Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-08-08 10:06 -0700
      Re: Float Vs Double "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-08-08 19:46 -0400
    Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-07 21:29 -0400
      Re: Float Vs Double jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-08-08 14:04 +0200
        Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-08 09:00 -0400
          Re: Float Vs Double jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-08-08 18:43 +0200
            Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-08 14:34 -0400
              Re: Float Vs Double Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-08-08 12:00 -0700
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-08 16:42 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-08-08 14:04 -0700
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-09 08:48 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-08-10 03:22 -0700
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-21 18:31 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-08-22 08:39 -0700
                Re: Float Vs Double Jean-Marc Bourguet <jm@bourguet.org> - 2016-08-22 19:29 +0200
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-22 19:24 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-08-23 01:01 +0100
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-22 21:58 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-08-23 09:38 +0200
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-23 08:15 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-08-23 15:07 +0200
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-23 09:40 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-08-23 15:14 +0100
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-23 10:38 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-08-23 17:18 +0100
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-23 15:47 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-08-23 16:39 +0200
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-23 11:45 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-08-23 21:42 +0200
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-23 15:52 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2016-08-24 08:36 +1200
                Re: Float Vs Double David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-08-24 09:39 +0200
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-24 11:31 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-08-23 10:48 +0100
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-23 08:17 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-08-23 06:01 -0700
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-23 09:44 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-08-23 07:19 -0700
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-23 10:39 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-08-23 08:18 -0700
                Re: Float Vs Double Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-08-23 14:47 +0100
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-23 10:40 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-08-24 01:31 +0100
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-23 20:53 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-08-23 23:20 -0700
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-24 11:32 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-08-24 09:46 +0200
                Re: Float Vs Double Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-08-24 14:53 +0100
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-24 11:35 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-08-24 08:57 -0700
                Re: Float Vs Double Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-08-24 17:36 +0100
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-24 12:50 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-08-24 17:26 +0100
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-24 12:51 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-24 11:33 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-28 02:33 -0500
                Re: Float Vs Double antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2016-08-31 22:36 +0000
                Re: Float Vs Double supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-08-31 15:51 -0700
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-31 22:42 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-01 08:32 -0700
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-09-01 15:00 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-01 13:45 -0700
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-09-01 20:50 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-02 08:11 -0700
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-09-02 12:25 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-09-02 20:42 +0200
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-09-02 16:25 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double Jean-Marc Bourguet <jm@bourguet.org> - 2016-09-03 08:43 +0200
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-09-03 10:48 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double Jean-Marc Bourguet <jm@bourguet.org> - 2016-09-03 19:43 +0200
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-09-03 18:16 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2016-09-08 11:18 -0700
                Re: Float Vs Double Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-07 19:59 -0500
                Re: Float Vs Double supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-08 08:13 -0700
                Re: Float Vs Double Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-08 19:34 -0500
                Re: Float Vs Double supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-09 07:50 -0700
                Re: Float Vs Double Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-09-02 23:40 -0700
                Re: Float Vs Double Jean-Marc Bourguet <jm@bourguet.org> - 2016-09-03 09:06 +0200
                Re: Float Vs Double Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-09-03 10:52 -0400
                Re: Float Vs Double Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2016-08-24 08:57 +0200
                Re: Float Vs Double Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-08-24 01:04 -0700
    Re: Float Vs Double Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2016-08-08 06:44 +0000
      Re: Float Vs Double Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-08-08 00:16 -0700
        Re: Float Vs Double Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2016-08-08 23:29 -0400
    Re: Float Vs Double jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-08-08 14:03 +0200
      Re: Float Vs Double "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-08-08 05:14 -0700
        Re: Float Vs Double BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2016-08-09 19:53 -0500
  Re: Float Vs Double "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-08-07 18:47 -0400
  Float Vs Double "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-08-07 17:04 -0700
    Re: Float Vs Double "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-08-08 05:49 -0700
    Re: Float Vs Double Nobody <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2016-08-10 03:26 +0100
      Re: Float Vs Double "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 20:15 -0700
        Re: Float Vs Double "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 06:07 -0700
      Re: Float Vs Double "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 06:13 -0700
        Re: Float Vs Double David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-08-10 16:43 +0200
          Re: Float Vs Double "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 07:56 -0700
          Re: Float Vs Double supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-08-10 08:39 -0700
            Re: Float Vs Double Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-08-10 09:56 -0700
              Re: Float Vs Double Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-08-10 10:04 -0700
                Re: Float Vs Double Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-08-11 07:08 -0700
                Re: Float Vs Double "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 07:15 -0700
                Re: Float Vs Double Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-08-12 08:11 -0700
              Re: Float Vs Double jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-08-10 20:38 +0200
                Re: Float Vs Double Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-08-10 12:20 -0700
                Re: Float Vs Double supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-08-10 12:17 -0700
                Re: Float Vs Double jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-08-10 21:48 +0200
                Re: Float Vs Double Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-08-10 13:40 -0700
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