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Re: bash on macOS (was: Emacs Turns 50)

From Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: bash on macOS (was: Emacs Turns 50)
Date 2026-11-02 13:28 +0000
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Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Oct 2026 13:26:19 +0000, Geoff Clare wrote:
> 
>> Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2026 15:00:43 +0000, Geoff Clare wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think it needs to execute bash in order for the system to
>>>> conform to UNIX03.
>>>
>>> 1) I doubt that SuS would include something GNU-specific in their
>>>    requirements.
>>
>> What I wrote does not in any way imply that there is something
>> GNU-specific in SUS.
> 
> Bash is GNU-specific.

Irrelevant.

SUS does not require any behaviour that is specific to bash.
Everything it requires is also supported by ksh.

>>> 2) Why UNIX03? Why not UNIXV7?
>>
>> Because macOS is certified to UNIX03, not UNIXV7.
> 
> Why not the latest version of the spec? Why such an old one?

I assume this is because the reason Apple certified macOS was to
settle the lawsuit over their unlicensed use of the UNIX trademark.
Updating to UNIXV7 would involve a lot of work (although probably
not nearly as much as they had to do to get to UNIX03 conformance).
They don't need to do that work if they can continue to license
the trademark by certifying each new release to UNIX03.

> And why does The Open Group allow this?

You would have to ask them that.

-- 
Geoff Clare <netnews@gclare.org.uk>

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Emacs Turns 50 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-29 04:56 +0000
  Re: Emacs Turns 50 Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-10-29 07:30 +0000
  bash on macOS (was: Emacs Turns 50) Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-10-29 15:00 +0000
    Re: bash on macOS (was: Emacs Turns 50) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-29 23:09 +0000
      Re: bash on macOS (was: Emacs Turns 50) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-30 00:49 +0000
      Re: bash on macOS (was: Emacs Turns 50) Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-10-30 13:26 +0000
        Re: bash on macOS (was: Emacs Turns 50) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-30 22:37 +0000
          Re: bash on macOS Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-31 01:06 +0000
            Re: bash on macOS Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-11-02 13:42 +0000
              Re: bash on macOS Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:11 +0000
          Re: bash on macOS (was: Emacs Turns 50) Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-11-02 13:28 +0000
            Re: bash on macOS (was: Emacs Turns 50) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:10 +0000
              Re: bash on macOS (was: Emacs Turns 50) Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-11-03 13:17 +0000
                Re: bash on macOS (was: Emacs Turns 50) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 20:39 +0000
                Re: bash on macOS Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-04 01:02 +0000
                Re: bash on macOS (was: Emacs Turns 50) Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-11-04 14:00 +0000
                Re: bash on macOS (was: Emacs Turns 50) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-04 21:41 +0000
                Re: bash on macOS (was: Emacs Turns 50) Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-11-05 13:53 +0000
                Re: bash on macOS (was: Emacs Turns 50) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-05 19:00 +0000
                Re: bash on macOS (was: Emacs Turns 50) Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-11-06 13:59 +0000
                Re: bash on macOS Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-06 07:43 -0700
                Re: bash on macOS scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-06 15:42 +0000
                Re: bash on macOS Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-06 10:48 -0700
                Re: bash on macOS Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-06 18:21 +0000
                Re: bash on macOS Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-06 18:16 +0000
                Re: bash on macOS antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-06 21:52 +0000
                Re: bash on macOS Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-07 00:35 +0000
                Portability of 'echo -n' (was: Re: bash on macOS) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 10:02 +0000
                Re: Portability of 'echo -n' antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-07 21:24 +0000
                Re: Portability of 'echo -n' Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-07 22:25 +0000
                Re: Portability of 'echo -n' Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-08 00:25 +0000
                Re: Portability of 'echo -n' Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-11-09 14:38 +0000
                Re: bash on macOS Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-06 20:43 +0000
                Re: bash on macOS (was: Emacs Turns 50) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-06 20:42 +0000
                Re: bash on macOS (was: Emacs Turns 50) Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-11-09 14:05 +0000
                Re: bash on macOS Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-09 22:23 +0800
                Re: bash on macOS (was: Emacs Turns 50) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-09 16:00 +0000
                Re: bash on macOS (was: Emacs Turns 50) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-09 22:13 +0000
                Re: bash on macOS (was: Emacs Turns 50) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-10 01:21 +0000
  Re: Emacs Turns 50 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-29 15:51 +0000
    Re: Emacs Turns 50 Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-30 12:16 +0000
      Re: Emacs Turns 50, gpl is still a bad idea John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-30 17:49 +0000
        Re: Emacs Turns 50, gpl is still a bad idea Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-31 01:13 +0000
        Re: Emacs Turns 50, gpl is still a bad idea Tapiro Ubriaco <interwebs.dude@gmail.com> - 2026-10-31 18:45 +0000
          macOS Tivoization (was: Re: Emacs Turns 50) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-01 01:17 +0000
            Re: macOS Tivoization (was: Re: Emacs Turns 50) Tapiro Ubriaco <interwebs.dude@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 12:14 +0000
              Re: macOS Tivoization Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-04 15:12 +0000
        Re: Emacs Turns 50, gpl is still a bad idea antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-01 15:06 +0000
      Re: Emacs Turns 50 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-30 18:24 -0400
      Re: Emacs Turns 50 Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-09 22:25 +0800
        Re: Emacs Turns 50 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-09 19:58 +0000
  Re: Emacs Turns 50 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-30 18:20 -0400
    Re: Emacs Turns 50 Bob Eager <throwaway0008@eager.cx> - 2026-10-30 23:45 +0000
    Re: Emacs Turns 50 John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-31 15:28 +0100
    Re: Emacs Turns 50 Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2026-11-03 17:05 +0200
    Re: Emacs Turns 50 John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2026-11-03 21:16 +0000
      Re: Emacs Turns 50 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 22:22 +0000
        Re: Emacs Turns 50 Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-11-04 07:14 +0000
          Re: Emacs Turns 50 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-04 08:24 +0000
        Re: Emacs Turns 50 John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2026-11-06 01:27 +0000
  Re: Emacs Turns 50 Daniel <me@fuhgitabutit.com> - 2026-11-04 19:19 -0800
    Re: Emacs Turns 50 ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-11-05 03:21 +0000
      Re: Emacs Turns 50 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-05 03:33 +0000
        Re: Emacs Turns 50 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-05 15:04 +0000
          Re: Emacs Turns 50 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-05 16:13 +0000
            Re: Emacs Turns 50 Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-05 09:26 -0700
              Re: Emacs Turns 50 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-05 19:06 +0000
              Re: Emacs Turns 50 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-05 19:38 +0000
        Re: Emacs Turns 50 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-05 23:09 +0000
        Re: Emacs Turns 50 antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-06 17:59 +0000
    Re: Emacs Turns 50 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-05 03:26 +0000
      Re: Emacs Turns 50 Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2026-11-04 21:09 -0700
        Re: Emacs Turns 50 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-05 06:51 +0000
          Re: Emacs Turns 50 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-05 19:17 +0000
            Re: Emacs Turns 50 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-05 22:59 +0000
            Re: Emacs Turns 50 Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-11-06 00:12 +0100
              Re: Emacs Turns 50 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-05 23:24 +0000
              Re: Emacs Turns 50 "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-11-08 14:26 +0000
        Re: Emacs Turns 50 Daniel <me@fuhgitabutit.com> - 2026-11-05 23:26 -0800
    Re: Emacs Turns 50 Bob Eager <throwaway0008@eager.cx> - 2026-11-05 09:23 +0000

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