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Re: Deflection of light, gravitational redshift

From The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Deflection of light, gravitational redshift
Date 2026-09-27 10:19 -0700
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Ross Finlayson wrote:
> 
> On 09/26/2026 10:33 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> > HenryWilson wrote:
> >> On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 01:22:28 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> >>> HenryWilson wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 23 Sep 2026 17:03:05 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>> HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tue, 22 Sep 2026 14:02:27 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>>>> So you don't understand how experimental verification of theories is
> >>>>>>> done, and should e done.
> >>>>>>> You need a theoretical framework for that,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You need the correct theoretical framework.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nonsense. Any relevant and consistent theoretical framework can be
> >>>>> used to derive a prediction.
> >>>>> (which may of course prove to be incorrect)
> >>>>> Using GR throughout you arrive at a prediction that agrees with what
> >>>>> is observed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Up to you to derive the observed GR redshift result by using 'Newton'.
> >>>>> (or shout 'all faked and fudged' once more)
> >>>>
> >>>> According to GR, the claimed redshift of 'frequency' to compensate for
> >>>> constant speed, is equivalent to 633m/s
> >>>
> >>> If by "GR redshift" you two mean "gravitational redshift", it has
> >>> nothing to do with any constant speed.  So you, "HenryWilson", have no
> >>> clue.
> >>
> >> It has everything to do with Einstein's denial of variable speed.
> >
> > Einstein does not "deny variable speed".  You have no idea what you are
> > saying.
> >
> > To begin with, you have to say the speed /of what/ you are talking about
> > for your statement to have a chance to make sense, let alone be correct.
> >
> >> You preach relativity but know nothing about it.
> >
> > No, you are arguing ambiguously from your own staggering ignorance.
> >
> >> Newton simply says light slow as it leaves the sun and loses KE.
> >
> > Newton wondered, but did not state anything, about light in that regard.
> > As I indicated, the Newtonian interpretation of light with regard to
> > gravitation was proposed by other people.  But it does not work with the
> > deflection of light, and only approximately regarding gravitational
> > redshift:
> >
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lens#Approximate_Newtonian_description>
> >
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_redshift#Newtonian_limit>
> >
> >> Einstein accepted that light loses energy as it moves into weaker gravity
> >
> > He did not.  That is not what general relativity says.  Also, the term
> > "weaker gravity" is pop-sci babble that does not make any sense.
> >
> > Instead, the fact that less proper time elapses closer to a center of
> > mass, because the spacetime curvature is "stronger" there (for lack of a
> > better term) than farther away from it, results in the fact that the
> > frequency/wavelength of (monochrome) light that is emitted there is
> > measured to be smaller/larger farther away (and larger/smaller closer to
> > it).
> >
> > The spacetime around a spherically-symmetric mass distribution with
> > total mass M can be described by the Schwarzschild metric (in natural
> > units and Schwarzschild coordinates),
> >
> >    ds² = −dτ² = −(1 − 2m∕r) dt² + (1 − 2m∕r)⁻¹ dr² + r² dΩ²,
> >    m = G M∕c²,
> >    dΩ² = dθ² + sin²(θ) dφ²,
> >
> > where dτ is the infinitesimal elapsed proper time interval.
> >
> > At relative rest, dr = dΩ = 0:
> >
> >    dτ² = (1 − 2m∕r) dt²  ⇔  dτ = √(1 − 2m∕r) dt.
> >
> > This can be analyzed either in terms of the frequency f = 1/T of a
> > periodic process or phenomenon with period T,
> >
> >    f(r) ∝ 1∕dτ = (1∕dt) 1∕√(1 − 2m∕r) ∝ f(∞)∕√(1 − 2m∕r),
> >
> > where f(∞) would be the frequency at infinite distance from the center
> > of mass (radius), as dt would be the infinitesimal proper time interval
> > that elapses there; or wavelength
> >
> >    λ(r) ∝ c dτ(r) = c dt √(1 − 2m∕r) ∝ λ(∞) √(1 − 2m∕r).
> >
> > Comparing the frequencies at different finite radii r₂ > r₁ yields
> >
> >    f(r₂)∕f(r₁) = √(1 − 2m∕r₁)∕√(1 − 2m∕r₂) < 1.
> >
> > So the frequency at r₂ is smaller than at r₁.  The frequency of reddish
> > light is smaller than that of bluish light:
> >
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum>
> >
> > So light is measured redshifted at r₂ when it is emitted at r₁, and
> > blueshifted at r₁ when it is emitted at r₂.
> >
> > Similarly, comparing the wavelengths at those radii, respectively, yields
> >
> >    λ(r₂)∕λ(r₁) = √(1 − 2m∕r₂)∕√(1 − 2m∕r₁) > 1.
> >
> > So the wavelength at r₂ is larger than at r₁.  The wavelength of reddish
> > light is larger than that of bluish light: Light is measured redshifted
> > at r₂ when it is emitted at r₁, and blueshifted at r₁ when it is emitted
> > at râ‚‚.
> >
> > We observe gravitational blueshift when terrestrial artificial
> > satellites above a certain orbital altitude, like GPS satellites, are
> > sending radio signals towards the surface of Terra, and we observe
> > gravitational redshift when light is emitted in the vicinity of objects
> > with a large mass, like the star S2 that is orbiting the black hole
> > Sgr A* near the center of the Milky Way:
> >
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_redshift#Astronomical_observations>
> >
> > It is also how black holes -- which have been observed -- are black:
> > light emitted from just outside their outer event horizons is
> > "gravitationally" redshifted so much as to become invisible (for humans)
> > and undetectable (indistinguishable from the CMB):
> >
> > <https://youtu.be/vNaEBbFbvcY?si=d09zljfdLWeBK1sA>
> >
> > All of this is observed /precisely/ as GR predicts it, NOT as a
> > Newtonian interpretation would predict it.
> >
> > [Note that "gravitional redshift/blueshift" is just a convenient
> > misnomer.  The correct explanation for this phenomenon is NOT
> > gravitation, but the curvature of spacetime.  Gravitation is another
> > consequence of that curvature, but otherwise _unrelated_ to
> > "gravitational" redshift.]
> >
> >> but because it was not allowed to slow, he had to concoct the idea that
> >> light possesses a 'frequency' that decreases and so make h.nu smaller.
> >
> > Light is experimentally confirmed to be describable as an
> > electromagnetic wave, and like every wave it has a frequency and a
> > wavelength:
> >
> > <https://openstax.org/books/university-physics-volume-1/pages/16-2-mathematics-of-waves>
> >
> > Newton's corpuscular theory was falsified by the fact that light slows
> > down in a medium, measured by Foucault in 1850.  The wave theory of
> > light was confirmed, and the corpuscular theory falsified, by the
> > interference pattern in Young's double-slit experiment.  Maxwell
> > postulated light as an electromagnetic wave in 1864.  Hertz confirmed
> > electromagnetic waves experimentally in 1888.  Marconi used that in 1894
> > to invent wireless telegraphy.  Based on that, Reginald Fessenden and
> > others realized public radio transmissions by 1920.  After World War II
> > terrestrial television was invented, and so on, until today's wireless
> > networks and satellite communication.
> >
> > See also:
> >
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light#Wave_theory>
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guglielmo_Marconi>
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio>
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television>
> >
> > You are not just 110 years, but 176 years (!) behind current knowledge.
> >
> >> [crackpot fantasies]
> >
> 
> Radio is experimentally confirmed to be electromagnetic radiation
> because it interacts with the electrical and magnetic fields.
> 
> Light is experimentally confirmed to _not_ interact with the electrical
> and magnetic fields, though of course there are many junctions due
> structures the opto-electronic and so on, similarly for heat radiation
> the thermionic and plain incandescent.
> 
> So, there are a variety of kinds of _energy_ and _radiation_. Then,
> the "electromagnetic spectrum" is just a chance sort of occurrence
> usually given to the quantum theory where frequency and wavelength
> make to define, given a definition of a "quantum" or "particle" of
> energy, that that's given how much energy it is.
> 
> So, light and radio their propagation equations as forms of radiation
> are much alike, yet not completely, since light is alike "pure
> diffraction" and making for things like "Arago/Poisson spot",
> while, radio does not. Furthermore, light's "signal" as "image"
> is due decoherence of light, while radio's is the opposite.
> 
> This is well known as that two people in visual range can see each other
> uninterferedly, while if they attempt to radio at the same time
> that occurs interferedly, just like talking over each other.
> 
> The bandwidth multiplexing is just a complicated coordinated
> usually temperature-compensated phase-loop-locked protocol,
> readily ruined by random electromagnetic noise, yet never light.
> 
> Then, heat radiation under the infra-red, and Roentgen or X-rays
> above the ultra-violet, these are also different forms of radiation,
> with their junctions and their accounts of propagation simply as
> alike rays in waves, again, not-so-much "electromagnetic" at all.
> 
> So, energy in the entelechy, and radiation (rays) and their accounts
> as waves as being "geometrical", then have that the "optical" and
> its accounts of "aberration" (or "illusion") belong to the properly
> "optical".
> 
> Rutherford is a great theorist and theoretician.
> 
> O.W. Richardson gives three different accounts of the infinitesimal
> analysis about energy and radiation and resultingly the changes,
> not just one.
> 
> The Newtonian can be retro-fitted with a "spurious factor of 2"
> by common treatments and approaches like "the path integral's",
> it's rather simple.
> 
> For "space-time" to "curve" and thus "contain" things, the "things"
> define the "curve", so, that's either a constant violation of energy
> everywhere doing work for free, or, it isn't (and, it doesn't).


The curvature of time...curve-time.


Between 12:o'clock and 1:o'clock there is a curve

a u-turn

the speed of light is curved.


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-03 17:19 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-03 15:53 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-03 18:03 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-03 16:08 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-03 18:21 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-03 16:36 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-03 19:07 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-03 17:08 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-03 19:16 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-03 17:25 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-03 19:48 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-04 10:22 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-04 12:37 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-04 10:51 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-04 13:01 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-04 11:11 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-03 13:37 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-04 10:23 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox (the infinitary, the smooth, total and absolute differentiation) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-04 08:57 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox (the infinitary, the smooth, total and absolute differentiation) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-04 09:09 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox (the infinitary, the smooth, total and absolute differentiation) HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-05 18:38 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox (the infinitary, the smooth, total and absolute differentiation) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-05 12:41 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox (the infinitary, the smooth, curvature, the un-linear) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-04 08:46 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-02 07:35 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-02 07:54 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-02 07:59 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-02 16:35 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-02 13:30 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-02 13:54 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-03 20:49 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-04 07:14 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-04 21:02 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-04 21:05 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-04 21:51 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-04 22:07 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-02 18:41 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:44 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-05 05:26 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-03 23:19 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-05 18:18 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-06 22:33 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-07 07:15 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-08 14:38 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-08 19:16 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-09 19:30 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-09 23:28 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-10 20:30 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-10 23:48 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-11 07:47 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-11 20:53 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:09 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-13 00:50 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-13 08:58 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-13 11:10 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-13 22:30 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-14 01:51 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-14 15:39 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-14 15:44 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-14 17:08 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-14 22:12 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-14 23:26 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-15 05:29 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-15 04:59 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-12 21:57 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-12 22:04 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-13 01:31 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-13 01:22 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-13 22:23 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-13 22:49 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-14 21:18 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-14 23:44 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-15 13:36 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-15 13:50 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-15 23:20 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-16 20:36 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-16 20:53 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-16 22:53 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-17 06:30 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-17 05:18 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-17 07:57 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-17 11:18 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-17 11:48 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-17 21:12 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 13:01 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-17 20:04 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 17:58 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2026-09-18 11:49 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-17 22:33 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-18 11:09 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-18 11:52 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-18 20:30 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-19 14:49 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2026-09-19 14:34 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-19 22:45 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-19 22:32 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-20 11:17 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-20 11:32 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-20 10:27 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-20 13:43 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-20 15:41 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-20 19:19 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-20 19:32 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 09:56 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 12:25 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 10:27 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 12:54 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 11:09 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 13:19 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 11:27 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 13:32 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 11:40 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 16:00 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:36 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 16:47 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 15:25 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 17:35 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 15:46 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 18:01 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:14 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 18:28 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:30 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 18:41 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:42 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 18:55 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 17:20 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 19:46 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 21:41 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-21 19:41 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 07:07 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 09:17 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 11:38 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 09:46 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 11:52 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 09:58 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 12:04 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 10:14 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 12:21 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 10:22 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 12:29 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 10:32 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 12:35 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 10:41 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 12:59 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 11:04 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 13:17 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 11:21 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 13:47 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 11:55 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 14:11 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:00 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 15:55 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 14:22 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 17:01 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:07 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 17:16 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:18 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 17:26 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:57 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 18:01 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 16:04 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 18:24 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 16:26 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 18:38 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 16:41 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 18:53 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 16:55 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 19:04 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 17:06 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 19:12 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 17:15 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 19:19 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 20:50 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-23 07:11 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-22 09:19 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-22 17:51 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-22 21:46 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 21:55 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-23 00:38 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-23 17:44 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-24 21:36 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-25 23:22 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-25 19:12 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-26 08:20 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-26 05:39 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:53 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-26 21:00 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-26 13:45 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-27 00:45 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-27 23:06 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-24 18:59 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-24 19:07 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-24 21:40 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-24 23:47 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-21 19:09 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-21 19:06 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-21 19:43 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-22 17:41 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-24 18:53 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 12:07 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-21 18:56 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-21 21:32 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-21 20:27 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-22 14:02 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-22 17:29 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-23 17:03 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-24 21:52 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-25 01:22 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 17:53 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 17:56 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-26 23:55 +0000
                Deflection of light, gravitational redshift (was: Ralph's Paradox) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-27 07:33 +0200
                Re: Deflection of light, gravitational redshift Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 09:40 -0700
                Re: Deflection of light, gravitational redshift The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-09-27 10:19 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-28 05:24 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-21 20:33 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-22 14:02 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-22 21:49 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-23 01:07 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-23 20:38 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-23 19:53 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-24 22:28 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-25 09:43 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-26 10:48 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-26 10:11 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-27 23:35 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Filiberto Bestolov <tr@btrloiit.ru> - 2026-09-27 18:02 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2026-09-22 15:03 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-17 20:42 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-17 19:44 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-17 22:41 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-18 05:29 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-18 07:59 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-17 14:07 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 08:54 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 08:56 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 09:06 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-17 20:08 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 12:02 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-17 20:50 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-17 20:15 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:51 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-18 20:16 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 15:33 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-19 22:23 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-19 17:43 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-20 10:24 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-20 07:34 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-20 16:03 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-20 13:44 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-21 19:15 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-21 22:26 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-22 17:56 +0000
    Re: Ralph's Paradox Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2026-08-27 13:06 +0000
  Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-21 14:15 +0000
    Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-21 16:48 +0200
    Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-21 16:49 +0200
      Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-21 15:28 +0000
        Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-21 17:37 +0200
        Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 09:35 -0700
          Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-21 16:56 +0000
            Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-21 19:17 +0200
            Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 12:27 -0700
              Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 12:29 -0700
          Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-21 20:17 +0000
            Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 15:58 -0700
        Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-21 17:48 +0000
          Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-22 00:03 +0000
            Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-22 06:09 +0200
              Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-22 07:50 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-22 13:57 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-22 16:57 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-24 16:27 +0000
        Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-23 16:42 +0000
          Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 16:49 +0000
            Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-24 17:07 +0000
    Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-21 17:35 +0000
      Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-08-21 21:04 +0200
        Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-21 22:28 +0000
          Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-08-22 22:03 +0200
            Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-22 22:41 +0200
              Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 12:24 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 15:20 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 13:46 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 16:59 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 15:02 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 17:19 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 15:21 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 17:38 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 15:51 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 17:59 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 16:00 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 18:15 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 16:35 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 18:45 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 16:48 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 18:53 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 17:02 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 19:14 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 17:22 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 19:28 +0200
      Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-22 21:43 +0200
  Re: Ralph's Paradox "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-22 14:24 -0700

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