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Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments

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Date	2018-05-19 13:58 -0700
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Subject	Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments
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On Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 1:10:44 PM UTC-7, Ed Lake wrote:
> > Photons do not oscillate.  
> Yes, they do.  Research it.

We don't have time for me to teach you quantum electrodynamics.  Let me just say it is a highly mathematical subject, and even the concept of a photon is a mathematical abstraction, not really a tiny ballistic particle as you may imagine.  You obviously don't have a clue about quantum electrodynamics, and wouldn't agree with it if you did (it if FAR more counter-intuitive than relativity), but this is just a diversion.

[snip quotes that merely confirm everything I've said.]

> The car in the radar gun situation PERCEIVES the photons that hit 
> it as oscillating at a higher frequency than what is real.  

Ed, that's simply crazy.  Doppler shift is real, but it has nothing in particular to do with photons or electromagnetic waves.  Look, if a caravan out in the desert was slowly approaching the oasis, day by day, and each morning you release a carrier pigeon that flies at constant speed to the caravan and back, the pigeons will arrive at a higher frequency than they depart, because the caravan is getting closer.  The Doppler formula enables you to compute how fast the caravan is approaching from the ratio of frequencies of arrivals and departures of the pigeons.  

You see?  There is nothing magical about the Doppler effect.  It is purely the result of the shortening distance.  All your fantasies about photon frequencies etc. are just that: fantasies.

> > But Ed, you yourself have agreed that the radar gun IS moving.  Why do you say it is "pretending" when you know it to be true?  By pretending the radar gun is not moving (even though you have admitted it IS moving), are you playing mathematical games?
> 
> In what sense is the radar gun moving?  

It is on the road, which is rotating about center of earth which is moving around sun which is moving around galaxy center which is....   Come on Ed, you know very well the earth is moving.  And yoet when it's convenient for you, you feel it's okay to pretend it is stationary...  but it is no more stationary than the target car.  You know all this Ed.

> I'm talking about a car moving relative to the earth and a radar 
> gun that is stationary relative to the earth.

YES!  That's what you are talking about.  Finally you are beginning to take tiny steps toward speaking clearly.  None of those items is absolutely stationary, they each have their own states of motion, and as Einstein said, we can with equal justification take any of them as the body of reference, and evaluate the motions in terms of that reference system.  And as Einstein also said, the laws of physics (including the speed of light) are the same in terms of any of these frames of reference (such as the sun and the emitted body in his other example).

> The view from Mars is irrelevant, as is any mathematical fantasy 
> where the car is somehow stationary and the radar gun is moving.

Now you've lurched back into insanity again.  Einstein told you that with equal justification the train or the embankment can be taken as the body of reference, and other is in motion.  So you are disagreeing with Einstein, right?
And you are being completely hypocritical, right?  Because you yourself are pretending that the earth is stationary and the speed of light is c in the earth's frame, even though you know very well the earth is not any more stationary than the target car.  By your own mouth, you are convicted of engaging in mathematical fantasy.

> The speed of an emitter cannot be added to the speed of light.  Therefore, 
> if the radar gun is moving, the emissions should be the same as if the radar gun was stationary (excluding relativistic effect, which would slow down the emissions).  
> 
> I'm going to try contacting my local police department to see what their radar guns show when they point them at a tree from a moving car.

Yes, do that.  (This is great.)  I predict that if the police car is moving straight at a tree with speed v, the radar gun will register v.  (If it doesn't , the gun isn't working correctly.)  What do you think it will read, Ed?

> "In so-called "moving radar", the radar antenna receives reflected 
> signals from both the target vehicle and stationary background objects
> such as the road surface, nearby road signs, guard rails and streetlight 
> poles. 

Sure, but that isn't a different kind of radar Doppler effect, they are just determining the speed of the police car precisely by reading the relative speed of a tree (using what I said above!), and then subtracting from the relative speed of the target car (as I said above).

> Hmm.  That is VERY interesting.  

Ed, this is all completely trivial and obvious.

> But that's NOT what they do.  The speed of the gun relative to the 
> ground is not used.  They compare the speed of the ground to the speed
> of the target car.

Ed, can you really not grasp that it's the same thing?  The speed of the ground relative to the police car is the same as the speed of the police car relative to the ground!  The motions are reciprocal!  You see, Ed, all your misconceptions are coming home to roost, blocking you from being able to grasp what is really very simple.  You are just confusing yourself with all your misunderstandings.

> I'm finding it more and more interesting, even fascinating.  It is 
> clarifying some things for me.  I'm definitely going to try and talk 
> with some local police who use radar guns.  Hopefully, they haven't 
> switched over to the more modern Lidar guns.

Ed, LIDAR guns work by exactly the same Doppler formula as radar guns... Yes, I know you think that's wrong, because you saw a web page that said so, but I can tell you from first hand knowledge that LIDAR guns use the same Doppler formula as radar guns.  This is clearly explained in any good reference source on the subject.

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Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-14 13:31 -0700
  Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-05-14 13:41 -0700
    Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-14 13:46 -0700
      Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-05-14 14:15 -0700
        Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-14 14:26 -0700
          Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-05-14 15:28 -0700
    Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 15:50 -0700
      Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2018-05-15 09:07 +0200
        Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-15 00:51 -0700
      Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-05-15 06:03 -0700
        Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-15 08:23 -0700
      Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 06:16 -0700
      Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-15 07:10 -0700
        Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 15:50 -0700
          Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-16 07:35 -0700
  Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments alsor@interia.pl - 2018-05-14 14:10 -0700
    Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-14 14:15 -0700
      Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments alsor@interia.pl - 2018-05-14 16:14 -0700
  Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-14 17:36 -0700
  Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-05-15 05:28 -0700
    Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-15 07:34 -0700
      Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-05-15 09:51 -0700
        Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-15 10:01 -0700
        Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-15 10:16 -0700
          Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-05-15 10:41 -0700
            Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ursula Vankeuren <aln@divweo.id> - 2018-05-15 19:43 +0000
            Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-15 13:20 -0700
              Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 13:45 -0700
              Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-05-15 17:29 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-16 08:07 -0700
  Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-05-15 14:45 +0200
    Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-15 07:44 -0700
      Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-05-15 19:46 +0200
        Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-15 13:44 -0700
          Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-05-16 20:07 +0200
            Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-05-16 20:38 +0200
              Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 19:31 -0700
            Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-16 13:36 -0700
              Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-05-16 17:09 -0400
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-16 14:51 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-05-16 17:43 -0700
              Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-05-16 14:55 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-17 08:15 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-05-17 08:54 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-17 09:26 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-05-17 09:53 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-17 10:06 -0700
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                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-18 16:55 -0700
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                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 17:06 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-05-17 09:17 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-17 09:53 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-05-17 13:06 -0400
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                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-18 07:38 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-18 14:13 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 19:27 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-05-17 10:28 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-17 14:43 -0700
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                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 10:04 -0700
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                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-05-17 16:13 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 16:56 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-05-18 10:45 +0200
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-05-18 10:47 +0200
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                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-05-18 07:58 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-18 08:55 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-05-18 07:47 -0700
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                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-05-18 10:04 -0700
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                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-20 12:37 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-20 12:35 -0700
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              Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 15:35 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-16 16:15 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-16 16:19 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-17 08:24 -0700
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              Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-05-17 19:25 +0200
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-17 13:51 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-05-18 20:08 +0200
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                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-05-18 13:36 -0700
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                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-05-19 11:35 +0200
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      Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-23 08:17 -0700
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                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-25 14:33 -0700
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                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-05-27 07:38 -0700
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                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-05-27 08:52 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-27 09:05 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-05-27 09:14 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-27 09:26 -0700
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                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-27 13:43 -0700
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                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-28 08:37 -0700
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                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-27 11:13 -0700
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