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| From | William Poaster <wp@dev.null> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates |
| Date | 2015-07-29 14:31 +0100 |
| Organization | Llareggub-Obllocks |
| Message-ID | <571n8c-o86.ln1@user-1842.linux.individual.net> (permalink) |
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It was reported that chrisv posted: > Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > >>> -- >>> "2007 is going to be a miserable year for Linux because Vista is going >>> to sink any hope Linux has had for the desktop. Vista has been >>> geberating excitement for months with magazine articles, pre-orders >>> etc." - "Flatfish" >> >>LOL >> >>Flounder, indeed. > > Really, how embarrassing. > > We are still waiting for that "final nail in the Linux coffin" that > the trolls have been telling us is coming. I have permission to quote a Usenet poster who had been hearing all this kind of crap from anti-Linux people, wintrolls & windows users in general. He posted this about 8 or 9 years ago, asked that I don't post his full name (fair enough) so let us just call him "Dave". ---------------------------xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx--------------------------------- To the anti-Linux trolls, & windows users in general:- The world you inhabit is remarkably different than the one I inhabit. I live in the professional world, where below-amateur-grade software like the products of the Microsoft Corporation are viewed as a joke -- and a bad one at that -- completely unsuitable for use by anyone who is actually serious about high-quality computing and networking. I live in the Internet world. It's based on open standards and open software, with things like peer review and consensus playing important roles -- and things like FUD and embrace-and-extinguish recognized as selfish and destructive. I live in the anti-spam world, where people do not directly support spam by knowingly buying the goods and services sold by spammers. But aside from all that: this is why we have such very different world views: It's all a matter of experience and perspective: there are a LOT of people around now who accept things like "there are viruses that propagate via "SMTP" as normal. It never occurs to them to take a step back and ask "IS this normal?"...because if they did, the answer would be "Hell no, it's NOT normal, and we shouldn't accept it as normal". And *that*, more than anything else, is the damage that Microsoft has done to the Internet: it has conditioned an enormous number of people to accept things-as-they-are not just as the status quo (which, by definition, it IS) but as inevitable, unavoidable, and unchangeable. People like you. And you, and you, and you. [consider it directed at "you" if appropriate]. And as a result, today, despite some very clever things (firewalls, IDSs, and so on) the Internet is far less secure and stable as a whole than it was 15 or 20 years ago. And since the less secure the Internet is, the more opportunity there is for abusers of all types (including of course spammers). And so the spam problem will continue to get steadily worse until people stop accepting the status quo - until they stop accepting the very worst available applications and operating systems as "what everyone uses" and moreover "what everyone should use" and "what everyone must use". Many people don't want to face this. They want to keep slapping bandaids on the problem - bandaids like SPF and anti-virus software and DNSBLs and port 25 blocking and anti-adware software and domainkeys and proxypots and Bayesian classifiers and challenge-response and whitelists and a hundred other things. They seem to be blissfully unaware that we have ALREADY been slapping bandaids on the problem for over a decade and all that we have to show for it are a lot more places that are bleeding. Profusely. Yet they seem very, very determined to do everything possible to keep inventing and using more bandaids rather than taking a deep breath, gathering themselves, and doing the one thing that would help more than everything else combined. It really is quite fascinating to watch. Frustrating, but fascinating. ( Some clinical psychology student could probably wrangle a PhD thesis out of the mass exercise in avoidance that's going on. ) So, a prediction: spam will persist as long as Microsoft persists. It flourishes in the environment of insecurity that Microsoft provides like bacteria flourishes in a Petri dish full of agar. You can ridicule this all you like. It doesn't matter: I've heard it ALL before. Heard it 25+ years ago when those of us who were early adopters and promoters of wacky stuff like Berkeley Unix and this nutty "IP" thing were told it would never amount to anything, was just the crazed dream of a bunch of hippie hackers with no clue about the real world. Riiiiiiiiight. Oddly enough, *none* of the people who were *so* adamant at the time seem to have resurfaced long enough to admit that they were just about as wrong as it's possible to be. But they've been replaced with a similar crowd: they're busy now telling all the Linux folks the same kinds of things. Oh, this new crowd is just as short-sighted, ignorant, and foolish, but there's no point in telling them so. (See, I did learn something all those years ago.) So -- if you like -- tuck this note away and pull it out in, oh, say 2014, 2019 or whenever. See if you still want to ridicule it then. If you do, I shouldn't be too hard to find. (And if I'm dead? Please feel free to do so anyway; I'll be long past caring, and besides, if I'm that wildly wrong, I *should* be ridiculed, dead or alive. So be my guest.) --Dave D.-- --------------------xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx--------------------------------------- -- openSUSE 13.2 64-bit KDE 4.14.9 Kernel: 4.1.3-5.ga0f869c-desktop #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Jul 27 10:23:02 UTC 2015 (a0f869c) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux This message is virus free, as absolutely NO Micro$oft products were used in its preparation.
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M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 15:44 +0000
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-07-27 17:15 +0100
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-07-27 12:22 -0700
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-07-27 15:27 -0400
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 21:25 +0000
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-07-27 23:30 +0200
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 21:31 +0000
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-07-27 17:39 -0400
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-28 07:07 -0500
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-07-28 13:25 +0100
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-07-28 09:16 -0400
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-07-28 18:15 -0400
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-29 07:52 -0500
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-07-29 09:03 -0400
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-07-29 09:09 -0400
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-07-29 09:20 -0400
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-07-29 16:53 +0000
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Re: Lloyd Parsons can't answer this. "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-08-24 15:57 -0400
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-07-29 14:31 +0100
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-29 11:28 -0500
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-07-29 13:21 -0400
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-07-29 13:26 -0400
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-07-30 12:26 +0100
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-07-28 18:13 -0400
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-07-28 20:07 -0400
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-07-29 08:44 -0400
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-07-29 09:03 -0400
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-07-28 08:57 +0100
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-07-28 10:30 -0400
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 09:19 -0700
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-07-27 13:38 -0400
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-07-27 14:28 -0400
Re: M$ "backs down" on W10 forced updates "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-07-27 15:19 -0400
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