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On 07/08/2015 02:10 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> "James Kuyper"  wrote in message news:mnj1t4$77o$1@dont-email.me...
...
>> Keep in mind that the only thing that matters, as far as decryption is
>> concerned, is that there is a pattern to your key.
> 
> Absolutely correct. For some reason, I still think that it
> might be kind of difficult to find the actual formula that
> created the key in the first place. IMVHO, finding the key
> would be the easy part!
> 
> Once you have worked, used computing power, to find the key,
> well, why not try to find the formula that created the key
> for fun?

Because that formula is not unique. I've a strong background in math and
science, and that background tells me that there can be many different
ways of expressing the same thing. For instance, compare the Newtonian,
Hamiltonian, and Lagrangian formulations of classical mechanics. It's
possible to prove that they all produce identical results, but I
couldn't possibly have guessed that without having seen those proofs.

>> The pattern itself can be deduced from a sufficiently large encrypted
>> sample, using entirely different methods from the one you used to
>> generate the pattern.
> 
> Do you happen to know of any pattern matching software that
> can work with plaintext?

It's not my specialty. What little I know of cryptography is that it
involves a lot of analysis programs that pass information on to skilled
professionals who intuit the pattern from the output of those programs.
That impression is almost certainly four or five decades out-of-date;
I'd be very surprised if the NSA doesn't have standalone programs that
can do this, at least in some cases, entirely without human intervention.

> BTW, I am thinking about posting this over in scr.crypt just
> to see if somebody can crack out a key, or fractal pad if you
> will. I just do not want to come across as a total kook moron!

That's a good idea - they know far more about this than I do. From my
understanding of the current state of the art, I wouldn't be surprised
if public domain shareware is available that could crack your code in
seconds - without producing any output that is recognizable as the
parameters or the structure of the fractal model you used to create it.

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Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-07-07 17:08 -0700
  Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-08 01:12 +0100
    Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-07-07 17:19 -0700
      Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-07 22:29 -0500
        Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-07-07 22:43 -0700
          Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-08 03:23 -0500
          Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-08 07:36 -0400
            Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-08 12:52 +0100
            Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-07-08 11:10 -0700
              Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-08 14:46 -0400
                Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-07-08 12:10 -0700
                Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-08 20:41 +0100
                Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-07-09 09:55 -0700
                Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-07-09 11:18 -0700
                Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-09 19:25 +0100
                Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-07-09 13:49 -0700
                Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-09 22:09 +0100
      Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-08 00:49 -0700
  Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-07-07 23:05 -0700
    Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-07-07 23:15 -0700
  Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-07-10 12:25 -0700
    Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-07-10 15:09 -0700
    Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-15 15:52 +0100
    Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-07-31 13:40 -0700
      Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-07-31 13:43 -0700
        Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-07-31 13:46 -0700
      Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-08-21 14:45 -0700
        Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-22 01:29 +0100
          Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-08-21 20:03 -0700
            Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-22 13:02 +0100
              Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-08-22 18:15 -0700
    Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-08-16 12:10 -0700
      Re: Fun/Funny Fractal Encryption... luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 22:49 -0700

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