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Re: Poll: Experiment that first comes to mind regarding SRT?

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On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 6:16:19 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 1:08:39 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 2:03:17 AM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: 
> > > On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 9:16:06 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > > > On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 4:35:03 PM UTC-7, LEO_MMX wrote: 
> > > > > What experiment first comes to mind when you hear the word, "Relativty"? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Cheers, LEO_MMX 
> > > > I think of the 1919 eclipse when they added deflections of stars in opposite directions as if they were deflected in the same direction. If they did it honestly these would have negated each other. It doesn't add up. Charles Lane Poor pointed this out. Usually, I like to refer everything back to the MMX as much as possible to show relativity is not necessary to explain it. 
> > > This is amazing, Laurence. I knew the 1919 eclipse was flawed work. But I did not know about the random bending. I take some home state pride in the fact that in the previous year's eclipse William Wallace Campbell of the Lick Observatory first falsified general relativity right here in Washington State at the small town of Goldendale. I have made a pilgrimage to the very field where the expedition set up its telescopes in 1918. Eddington, besotted with confirmation bias, got word of Campbell's intent to publish his negative findings while still at sea returning from the 1919 expedition. The seasick Eddington dashed off his preliminary results by radio telegram in hopes of forestalling Campbell. It worked. Campbell quailed before the growing tidal wave of media-driven relativity mania. Eddington and Einstein had won the day and vanquished any further inquiry into the validity of relativity, special and general. This forum now stands alone as the world's greatest repository and curator of facts and position papers for the case against relativity. 
> > > 
> > > You might want to check out the amateur Bruns' absolutely "perfect" confirmation of GR during our last total eclipse. Bruns claims 1.75" on the nose--the only person to ever do so. I invited him to this forum to give evidence for his findings, in lieu of his nearly unintelligible software-based method of confirmation. But Dono scared him off. 
> > While Bruns accounts for atmospheric refraction, I do not believe he can account for the additional refraction during an eclipse with its winds. Marmet says, "it has also been demonstrated that 
> > the deflection of light by a gravitational potential is not compatible with the principle of massenergy conservation."
> Laurence, did you understand Bruns' methodology? I could not. I believe he used a table of coordinates for stars then used stochastic methods to massage his own multiple images captured during the ecplise to arrive at the perfect 1.75". His results seem too softwarey to me.
There's a lot I didn't understand so well. He normed everything to the 1.75" for one solar radii when they mostly were out at 2.4r. It seemed well done. I just think he never addressed the atmospheric turbulence during eclipses at all. Normal atmospheric refraction obviously doesn't account for that. Marmet also considers that a crucial disproof.

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Poll: Experiment that first comes to mind regarding SRT? LEO_MMX <ned.marsen@gmail.com> - 2023-06-25 16:35 -0700
  Re: Poll: Experiment that first comes to mind regarding SRT? LEO_MMX <ned.marsen@gmail.com> - 2023-06-25 16:36 -0700
    Re: Poll: Experiment that first comes to mind regarding SRT? LEO_MMX <ned.marsen@gmail.com> - 2023-06-25 16:44 -0700
  Re: Poll: Experiment that first comes to mind regarding SRT? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-06-25 16:41 -0700
    Re: Poll: Experiment that first comes to mind regarding SRT? LEO_MMX <ned.marsen@gmail.com> - 2023-06-25 16:53 -0700
      Re: Poll: Experiment that first comes to mind regarding SRT? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-06-25 17:09 -0700
  Re: Poll: Experiment that first comes to mind regarding SRT? Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-25 21:16 -0700
    Re: Poll: Experiment that first comes to mind regarding SRT? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-06-26 02:03 -0700
      Re: Poll: Experiment that first comes to mind regarding SRT? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-27 10:19 +0200
      Re: Poll: Experiment that first comes to mind regarding SRT? Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-27 13:08 -0700
        Re: Poll: Experiment that first comes to mind regarding SRT? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-06-27 18:16 -0700
          Re: Poll: Experiment that first comes to mind regarding SRT? Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-27 20:35 -0700
  Re: Poll: Experiment that first comes to mind regarding SRT? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-06-27 07:14 +0200
  Re: Poll: Experiment that first comes to mind regarding SRT? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-27 10:19 +0200
    Re: Poll: Experiment that first comes to mind regarding SRT? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 03:05 -0700
    Re: Poll: Experiment that first comes to mind regarding SRT? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2023-06-27 07:17 -0700
      Re: Poll: Experiment that first comes to mind regarding SRT? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-06-28 07:34 +0200
  Re: Poll: Experiment that first comes to mind regarding SRT? Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-06-28 13:40 +1000
  Re: Poll: Experiment that first comes to mind regarding SRT? Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 21:44 -0700
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