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| Date | 2016-10-22 07:56 -0700 |
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| Subject | Re: Michelson used wrong logic |
| From | "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> |
On Saturday, October 22, 2016 at 7:49:31 AM UTC-7, Gary Harnagel wrote: > On Saturday, October 22, 2016 at 8:35:54 AM UTC-6, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 22, 2016 at 8:34:21 AM UTC-5, Gary Harnagel wrote: > > > > > > On Saturday, October 22, 2016 at 6:43:08 AM UTC-6, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote: > > > > > > > > I see nothing "baloney" about the Wikipedia article on Kennedy-Thorndike > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennedy%E2%80%93Thorndike_experiment > > > > > > Really? So how do you justify what it said: > > > > > > "the negative result of the Michelson–Morley experiment can be explained by > > > length contraction alone, the negative result of the Kennedy–Thorndike > > > experiment requires time dilation in addition to length contraction to > > > explain why no phase shifts will be detected while the earth moves around > > > the sun." > > > > > > This is 19th century mumbo jumbo. > > > > No, it is a fairly straightforward summary in English of the mathematical > > argument presented in the following section of the article: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennedy%E2%80%93Thorndike_experiment#Basic_theory_of_the_experiment > > > > What problems do you have with the math in the above section? How would > > *YOU* write an English summary of the math? If you manage to provide a > > better English summary of the math, I will update Wikipedia accordingly. > > I am a reasonably well respected Wikipedia editor of long standing. > > The "explanation" given in what I quoted from the wiki article has Lorentz > Ether Theory for its genesis. The modern interpretation does not involve > length contraction (or time dilation) because both source and detector > are stationary in the same inertial frame; i.e., v = 0 and gamma = 1. > > The whole article is so screwed up that an "update" is hopeless. Err, The explanation has TWO pointsm, not one: 1. From the POV of the lab 2. From the POV of an observer moving wrt the lab. This explanation needs: 2.1. TD and LC for KTX 2.2. In the case of MMX it needs LC (in the frame of the moving observer) and LC+TD (in order to transform the result back into the frame of the lab).
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Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-05 12:11 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-05 13:59 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic donstockbauer@hotmail.com - 2016-10-05 14:12 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-05 16:58 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-06 07:07 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-06 18:28 -0700
Cretin Peter Riedt perseveres "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-06 21:07 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 07:33 -0500
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-07 06:12 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-07 21:56 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-08 14:56 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-08 16:37 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-09 04:18 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-09 18:32 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-10-09 19:33 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-09 23:53 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-10-10 20:17 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-10 22:00 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-10 04:32 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-10 05:25 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-10 07:14 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-10 18:51 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-11 03:55 +0200
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-10 21:37 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-11 05:07 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-11 05:18 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 05:56 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 13:56 -0500
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-17 17:48 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-18 10:13 -0500
Re: Michelson used wrong logic mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-18 23:41 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Eric Baird <erkdemon@gmail.com> - 2016-11-14 09:38 -0800
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-11-14 10:14 -0800
Re: Michelson used wrong logic mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-17 23:15 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-18 02:03 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-18 02:36 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-18 12:09 +0200
Re: Michelson used wrong logic mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-18 03:30 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Jim Barthel <jimbart@portlanportal.info> - 2016-10-18 16:33 +0000
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-18 10:33 -0500
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-18 21:09 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-19 11:23 +0200
Re: Michelson used wrong logic mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-19 02:48 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-19 07:42 -0500
Re: Michelson used wrong logic mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-19 06:05 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-19 19:36 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-19 19:42 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-19 23:24 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-20 02:13 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-20 07:15 -0500
Re: Michelson used wrong logic mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-20 05:44 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-20 07:13 -0500
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-20 17:45 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-20 19:36 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-20 21:02 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-20 21:54 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-21 09:08 -0500
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-21 17:55 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-21 18:08 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-21 20:26 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-21 21:23 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 04:55 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 05:43 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 06:34 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Dwain Foster <dwainbwe@tyrellysite.org> - 2016-10-22 13:41 +0000
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-22 07:19 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 07:59 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 08:41 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Dwain Foster <dwainbwe@tyrellysite.org> - 2016-10-22 16:39 +0000
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 11:12 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-22 17:24 -0500
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-23 12:02 +0000
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-23 14:46 +0200
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-23 12:54 +0000
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-23 15:01 +0200
Re: Michelson used wrong logic moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-24 02:31 +0000
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 07:35 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-22 07:48 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 07:49 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-22 07:56 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 08:42 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-22 08:47 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 12:12 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-22 12:29 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 11:30 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 12:23 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 13:19 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-22 20:36 +0000
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 14:32 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 15:28 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 16:03 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-22 19:52 -0500
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 20:28 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 20:39 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-10-22 15:39 +0200
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-22 07:16 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 07:26 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-22 07:43 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 07:50 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-22 07:58 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-23 17:44 -0500
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-23 15:56 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-23 19:48 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-23 20:15 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-23 20:49 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-23 21:12 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-24 03:50 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-24 07:01 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-24 08:20 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-24 08:46 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-25 19:19 +0000
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Dwain Foster <dwainbwe@tyrellysite.org> - 2016-10-22 15:06 +0000
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Dwain Foster <dwainbwe@tyrellysite.org> - 2016-10-22 14:47 +0000
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-24 11:30 -0500
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-24 09:58 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 10:22 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-24 11:06 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 11:22 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-24 11:29 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-24 22:10 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-24 22:34 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-24 14:19 -0500
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-24 20:05 +0000
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-24 13:12 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-24 20:17 +0000
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-24 20:37 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-24 21:20 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-22 08:33 -0500
Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-22 07:13 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 08:57 -0500
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Eric Baird <erkdemon@gmail.com> - 2016-11-14 11:33 -0800
Re: Michelson used wrong logic mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-18 23:41 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic Eric Baird <erkdemon@gmail.com> - 2016-11-14 10:15 -0800
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Re: Michelson used wrong logic Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 04:19 -0700
Re: Michelson used wrong logic mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-09 23:21 -0700
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