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| Subject | Re: Einsteinian Simultaneity and syncronism : no thanks ! |
| From | Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> |
El viernes, 25 de marzo de 2016, 11:34:31 (UTC-5), tjrob137 escribió:
> On 3/23/16 3/23/16 - 7:14 PM, Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato wrote:
> > S1. At ground without correction.
> > S2. In orbit without correction.
> > S3. In orbit with correction.
> > S4, At ground with correction.
> >
> > S1 and S2 correspond to the 1977 first GPS satellite launching, being since
> > then an EF that a non-operative GPS SV satellite clock showing 10.23 MHz at
> > ground (without correction, state S1), pass to show 10.2300000045674 MHz when
> > in orbit (without correction, state S2) IN the satellite.
>
> [I don't know what you mean by "being since an EF ...". In your
> state S1 the satellite clock shows 10.2300000000000 MHz,
> measured either in the satellite or on the ground (in S1 they
> are the same).]
>
In my 21 Mar post to you I specify very clearly the 4 different states a GPS
satellite can be, taken from the GPS history, about 4 decades ago. I repeat my
literal words:
[ Yes, SV is the satellite Space Vehicle (with the clock inside), but from the
GPS history we know that it can be in four very different states:
S1. At ground without correction.
S2. In orbit without correction.
S3. In orbit with correction.
S4. At ground with correction. ]
As you can see, the 4 states refer always to the GPS satellite with the clock
inside, with the two different physical conditions that determine its state
very clearly specified, at ground (BEFORE the launching) or in orbit (AFTER the
launching), without correction applied (WITHOUT frequency divider) or with
correction applied (WITH frequency divider).
The clock is a time measuring device, being in this case the time that 1905
Einstein define for the GPS ECI, the same time ALL (NOT distinguishing clocks
"at ground" from ones "in orbit") synchronized clocks (at the selected 10.23
MHz frequency) are showing simultaneously at the same instant of ECI time.
The EXPERIMENTAL FACT {EF) that I am referring (corresponding to the historical
first GPS satellite launching) is that the frequency the clock at the state S1
(at ground without correction) shows (10.2300000000000 MHz), is NOT the same
it shows (10.2300000045674 MHz) when at the state S2 (in orbit without
correction).
> This is just not true. For your state S2 that latter frequency would be
> measured ON THE GROUND for SIGNALS FROM THE SATELLITE.
>
You have no right at all (or any other) to change the History. You are
referring to a measurement that NEVER took place, neither in 1977 nor in any
other moment until today.
The unique measurement of time in GPS ECI is the one specified by 1905 Einstein
almost at the end of Section 1 in his Jun 30 paper:
[ The "time" of an event is that which is given simultaneously with the event
by a stationary clock located at the place of the event, this clock being
synchronous, and indeed synchronous for all time determinations, with a
specified stationary clock. ]
The specified stationary clock in the GPS ECI case can be one at a pole (on the
Earth's geoid).
Before defining time (on the same Section 1), 1905 Einstein rejects any
"measure at a distance", as the one you are introducing here.
> Go back and READ VERY CAREFULLY the description of the experiment. They had no
> frequency measuring apparatus IN the satellite [#], their instruments were ON
> THE GROUND. And I don't think they actually measured the chipping rate that
> accurately, I think they observed the drift of the satellite
> clock. But still, THEY WERE ON THE GROUND comparing to clocks ON THE GROUND;
> from their observation of the satellite clock's drift they would have measured
> SIGNALS FROM THE SATELLITE to have a chipping rate of 10.2300000045674 MHz ON
> THE GROUND.
>
Oh yes, they had the unique possible frequency measuring apparatus IN the
satellite, the clock showing 10.23 MHz when 1905 Einstein synchronized, or a
different frequency when NOT synchronized. They had also IN the satellite the
arithmetically exact frequency divider. ALL observations were done IN the
satellite, not at all the "at a distance" ones that perhaps your not sufficient
knowledge about how communication channels work leaded you to think.
What the clock IN the satellite shows is part of the DATA broadcasted from the
satellite to all the GPS ECI stationary space. Those DATA are NOT affected by
distance, velocity, gravitational potential or any other difference between the
transmitter and the receptor.
The modulation frequency used to encode the DATA into the carrier frequency
transmitted, or to decode it out from the carrier frequency received; is NOT a
SIGNAL that is transmitted or received, but a frequency that is available and
USED in the modulation and demodulation processes that take place only in the
transmitter and the receptor respectively.
> [#] Unless you consider the clock divider and the Cs atomic
> clock that are part of the satellite itself. This _IS_ a
> frequency-measuring instrument, and in your state S2 it
> DEFINITIVELY measures 10.2300000000000 MHz IN THE SATELLITE
> (because the Cs oscillator defines the second, and "without
> correction" means the divider gives 10.2300000000000 MHz
> from 9,192,631,770 Hz).
>
The clock inside the satellite is a time measuring device, and what it measures
or shows, is part of the DATA broadcasted WITHOUT ANY CHANGE to all the GPS ECI
stationary space, including the ground (Earth's geoid), as you know already.
And in my state S2 (corresponding to the first GPS satellite launching case, in
orbit without correction) it DEFINITIVELY measures 10.2300000045674 MHz IN THE
SATELLITE, an EXPERIMENTAL FACT (EF) since 1977), and NOT the 10.2300000000000
MHz that you mention, violating History and expressing in a very explicit way
YOUR REJECTION to that EF.
I said to you more than once that you are using an already obsolete time unit
(second) definition. Since 1977, it is already an EXPERIMENTAL FACT that a Cs
atom shows 9,192,631,770 Hz ONLY in the Earth's geoid physical conditions.
>
> > This is the more important of the EXPERIMENTAL FACTS that you REJECT,
>
> I am not "rejecting" anything. YOU have mis-read the description of the
> experiment. And, as I keep saying, YOU FAIL TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN CLOCKS AND
> SIGNALS, AND YOU FAIL TO SPECIFY WHERE THE MEASUREMENT WAS MADE. These omissions
> turn everything you write into nonsense.
>
I have nothing to do with what occurs almost 4 decades ago (first GPS satellite
launching), and much less with 1905 Einstein time definition and application to
the today denoted GPS ECI stationary system.
You are here the unique one talking about GPS SIGNALS (and measurements of
them) that never existed.
You are not only rejecting the historical experimental evidence supporting all
the development of GPS since 1977, but also rejecting to consider the modern
GPS technical documentation where in all electronic diagrams the unique
frequency source available for use into an OPERATIVE SV GPS satellite is always
10.23 MHz, the 1905 Einstein synchronizing frequency for ALL GPS clocks showing
simultaneously the same ECI time, a frequency that is NEVER a SIGNAL
transmitted or received in any GPS ECI site, including the reference ground
(Earth's geoid).
RVHG (Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato)
......
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Re: Einsteinian Simultaneity and syncronism : no thanks ! Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 17:04 -0700
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