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Re: Like Explaining Auto Mechanics to Your Dog

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Time to spin the kooks up again. Melt, kooks, melt. <snicker>

James McGinn, in
<news:19365e76-96be-4641-9eda-692b32660b84@googlegroups.com> did
thusly jump head first into the wood chipper again:

> On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 9:00:22 PM UTC-8,
> Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus wrote:

>> James McGinn, in
>> <news:30635fb1-6217-48f0-8a85-0287bc1d35f1@googlegroups.com> did
>> thusly jump head first into the wood chipper again:

>>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 11:08:16 AM UTC-8,
>>> Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus wrote:

>>>> a) I quoted a university research team 

>>> Thi<SMACKAKOOK!>

>> I'll remind delusional Dunning-Kruger afflicted kooktards who have had
>> their kooky conspiracy theories utterly demolished that their main
>> goal in life is to refute that basic physical reality which utterly
>> destroys their kooky conspiracy theory, and failing that, to melt down
>> as entertainment for the sane folk.
>> 
>> <snicker>
>> 
>> ================================================
>> 
>> I've destroyed the central tenet of your kooky conspiracy theory, 
>> James. You and your kooky theory no longer have a leg to stand on.
>> 
>> I've proven your kooky conspiracy theory is a physical impossibility. 
>> That's, what? The 5th avenue I've used to utterly destroy your kooky 
>> conspiracy theory?
>> 
>> Do you not understand what plasma is, you fecking nong? If plasma 
>> existed in the trophosphere, the electromagnetic interference from 
>> that electromagnetic plasma would make radio communication nigh well 
>> impossible. If plasma existed in the troposphere, we'd see lightning 
>> strikes right out of the blue... but you're the moron who never 
>> stopped to consider *why* lightning always comes from moving air near 
>> clouds or other sources of moisture... because you're the moron who 
>> knew nothing of the Triboelectric Effect until I schooled you. Nor, 
>> apparently, were you aware that water is a dielectric until I schooled 
>> you.
>> 
>> Plasma does not exist in our atmosphere except in the plasmasphere, 
>> just outside the upper ionosphere, just inside the magnetosphere. 
>> That's a minimum of 48 miles above the tropopause.
>> 
>> For clouds, there is no plasma involved in their apparent buoyancy. 
>> It's merely that the droplet size is sufficiently small (from a few 
>> microns to a few tens of microns) that the droplets have no 
>> appreciable fall velocity in light of random air movements and 
>> updraft. The fall speed is related to the droplet's mass and surface 
>> area. A roughly spherical droplet has a mass proportional to its 
>> radius cubed. The downward-facing surface area of such a droplet is 
>> proportional to the radius squared. Thus, as that tiny micron-sized 
>> water droplet grows, its mass becomes more important. At a droplet 
>> radius of 100 microns (an order of magnitude larger than the largest 
>> average droplet size), the fall velocity is only ~27 cm/s. Thus they 
>> stay suspended because clouds generally form in areas where air which 
>> is laden with gaseous water (and is thus less dense) rises, offsetting 
>> the fall velocity. As the altitude increases, the temperature falls, 
>> thus the water carrying capacity of that air drops, thus the gaseous 
>> phase water condenses into those tiny droplets, those tiny droplets 
>> grow, and eventually the ratio of droplet mass:downward-facing surface 
>> area is sufficient for that droplet to overcome the updraft and fall 
>> to the ground. Which is why different cloud types (caused by different 
>> updraft speeds) cause different types of rain.
>> 
>> Stratiform clouds (those producing steady rain) typically form in an 
>> environment with widespread but weak upward motion (say, a few cm/s); 
>> convective clouds (those causing showers and thunderstorms) are 
>> associated with updrafts that exceed a few meters per second.
>> 
>> For clear sky, the relative humidity proves that there is water in its 
>> fully gaseous phase in the air, given that water is miscible in air 
>> down to ~-60 C. Sublimation further proves this fact. The speed of 
>> sound being faster in the less-dense air laden with gaseous water as 
>> compared to dry air further proves this fact. The relative density of 
>> air laden with gaseous phase water being less than dry air further 
>> proves this fact.
>> 
>> Your contention that lightning is caused by your purported plasma is 
>> another easily disproved kook contention... the upward draft in areas 
>> where cloud formation is prevalent also contributes to creating 
>> lightning ... this can be proven by the fact that tribocharging (the 
>> Triboelectric Effect, a form of contact electrification) is caused by 
>> rubbing a dielectric such as a balloon or comb... water is a 
>> dielectric. So lightning is nothing more than an updraft-induced 
>> tribocharging. This is why NASA cancels launches if the space vehicle 
>> being launched has to fly through certain types of clouds, because the 
>> P-static (precipitation static) would interfere with communication and 
>> telemetry, and particularly the mission-critical flight termination 
>> signals should something go wrong. NASA calls this their 
>> Triboelectrification Rule. This is why convective clouds are typically 
>> the only type of clouds to exhibit lightning... the updraft is faster, 
>> thus the Triboelectrification Effect is stronger.
>> 
>> So... given the above, I'm sure you can figure out for yourself which 
>> types of clouds would trigger NASA's Triboelectrification Rule, right?
>> 
>> As regards your kooky claim that water forms a plasma in the 
>> atmosphere (which means you must be talking about the troposphere, 
>> given that's where nearly all clouds form except for the high, thin, 
>> wispy nacreous and noctilucent clouds):
>> 
>> <http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2001-02/983243860.Ph.r.html>
>> =========================================================
>> It has been measured that to create any degree of ionization in a 
>> water vapor atmosphere you need to have electrons with energy of at 
>> least around 12 electron volts. (See Ref. below) That means that if 
>> you want to ionize the water (make a plasma) by thermal energy only 
>> you must impart enough thermal energy to get a lot of electrons of 
>> energy about 12 electron volts of higher.  That means the water 
>> molecules will have to be heated up to an excitation level of about 
>> this magnitude.   For a water molecule to be heated to this excitation 
>> energy we are talking about a temperature of about 12,000 degrees K. 
>> So if you could heat the water to this temperature you would begin to 
>> make such a plasma.
>> =========================================================
>> 
>> Do you know what 12 eV entails, Jim? That'd entail photons of 103.32 
>> nm, a frequency of 2.9016e15 Hz, extremely energetic ultraviolet 
>> light, nearly in the x-ray range.
>> 
>> And that's the *minimum* required to even create *any* degree of 
>> plasma from water... you're claiming *all* the water in the atmosphere 
>> is plasma.
>> 
>> Only 3% of the ultraviolet light from the sun makes its way through 
>> the atmosphere to the trophosphere, Jim, most of it far less 
>> energetic, ranging upwards of 400 nm.
>> 
>> In fact, because ultraviolet shorter than 121 nm ionizes air so 
>> strongly, it is absorbed far above the troposphere, hence, water 
>> plasma *cannot* exist in the troposphere, where the overwhelming 
>> majority of atmospheric water is (and hence where all clouds are 
>> except for those wispy nacreous and noctilucent clouds), Jim.
>> 
>> Do you not understand that therefore there is no plasma in the 
>> troposphere, and thus your kooky conspiracy theory is the mad ranting 
>> of an uneducated goof trying to pretend that he's a physicist because 
>> he took an elective Basic Meteorology class once, when really you're 
>> just a delusional kooktard?
>> 
>> So yet again via yet another avenue, I utterly destroy your kooky 
>> conspiracy theory, Jim. Anyone with any interest can look up the data
>> and corroborate it for themselves. That's reality. Deal with it.
>> 
>> <snicker>
>> 
>> See how simple things are when one is sane, Jim? See how much sense 
>> that all makes? The world (indeed, the universe) doesn't work by kooky 
>> conspiracies and impossibilities as you claim, Jim, it works by a set 
>> of immutable rules. Learn those rules, Jim, and stop being such a 
>> fucking moron.
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> Shiny Tinfoil Brain (aka Bite My Shiny Metal Ass) didn't know:
>> =====================================
>> The Euler equation is a subset of equations known as the Euler-Fourier
>> Formulas, thus that a sinewave is a transformation of a circle (which
>> should have been intuitive, given that generators *rotate* to create
>> *sinusoids*);
>> 
>> That cross correlation is used with Fourier transforms;
>> 
>> That superposition is the same as wave interference;
>> 
>> That wave interference works the same for standing or traveling waves;
>> 
>> That RMS and peak-to-peak voltage are two different things;
>> 
>> That RMS isn't a DC voltage;
>> 
>> That 170 volt peak, 120.208 volt RMS L-N 3-phase service gives 208.207
>> volts RMS L-L;
>> 
>> That 4444525800 != 4400000000 != 1;
>> 
>> The difference between frequency and period of a sinewave;
>> 
>> That there's no difference between 'i' and 'j' in electrical
>> engineering, physics and control systems engineering;
>> 
>> What a positive or negative vector is;
>> 
>> That the vector sum of 3-phase AC constitutes a closed loop per
>> Kirchhoff's Voltage Law, thus that the three phases sum to zero;
>> 
>> That "mnemonic" is not spelled "mneumonic";
>> 
>> That his claim: "Water is tetrahedral. It actually has 4 poles, 2
>> positive and 2 negative." is nonsense from a blathering moron.
>> 
>> That water does not have negative poles. The oxygen has an
>> electronegativity of 8+, the hydrogens 1+.
>> 
>> That the term "electronegativity" denotes a *positive* nucleal charge.
>> 
>> What the definition of the word "equivalent" is.
>> 
>> And the moron continues to demonstrate his inability to read a graph.
>> =====================================
>> 
>> SPNAK!
>> 
>> <snicker>

> One word of advice: de-caf.

One word of advice, Jim: SPNAK!

You've been defeated, your kooky conspiracy theory utterly decimated.
Now you're forced to either go back and reexamine the underlying
premise of your kooky conspiracy theory, or *knowingly* plunge
headlong down the insane path you've chosen.

And you owe me $100,000, Jim. Pay up.

<snicker>

-- 

Robert Michael Wolfe the Pittsburgh Pied Piper Of Penis (aka
DildoRider, aka Teh Mop Jockey)
5907 Stanton Ave.
Pittsburgh, PA
(412) 853-6395
(412) 799-0532
(412) 665-8289
(412) 404-8757

DildoRider admits he's stoooopid:
MID: <c65504c436778934b3e8a0fb022b7618@dizum.com>
=================================================
>> it appears I've kicked your ass so hard it's
>> damaged your brain, DildoRider.

> then it appears that you like shooting fish in
> barrels, intellectually lazy fuckhead that you are.

Well, you've just admitted that intellectually kicking your ass is
akin to shooting fish in a barrel... IOW, you've admitted that you're
stoooopid. No un-ringing that bell.

<snicker>
=================================================

DildoRider admits he's "really stupid" (his words). LOL
MID: <8a9faed11123abfaa1257fb33fb0c082@dizum.com>
=================================================
> so what you're saying is that your targets for attack
> have to be really stupid or else you can't manage?
=================================================

DildoRider admits much more about himself:
MID: <36c6802852caf4f712515dedb738e450@dizum.com>
=================================================
"absolutely and completely retarded, insane, gay, ugly, smelly,
toothless, dirt-poor, incontinent and possibly homeless"
=================================================

This is a libtard's method of "winning", for fuck sake.

150 IQ? LOL

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