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Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs

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On 05/03/2012 05:11 PM, John Reye wrote:
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> So if you use a particular union access member... for a particular
> union in memory, then you should always access that particular union-
> variable, with the same member?
> 
> Is that the only intended use?

Not quite. In C99, the standard was changed to describe how essentially
all real-world implementations handled unions. Reading a different
member than the last one written now sometimes has defined behavior, so
long as it's not a trap representation. Specifically, it results in
reinterpretation of the bits that were set by the write, in accordance
with the representation for the member being read. Since the standard
gives implementations a great deal of freedom with how values of
different types are represented, code which takes advantage of that fact
can never be portable. However, if you're willing to restrict the
portability of your code to platforms where the relevant types are
represented the way that your code assumes they are represented, it
could be useful code - for those platforms.

> In particular: is it a misuse of unions, to use them in order to
> enable different memory-accesses (word, byte, etc.) to the same
> portion of memory???? I have (mis)used it like this in above posts
> quite often.
> Is that strictly wrong?

Whenever you read a member that is larger than the last one written to,
the bytes that are not part of of the smaller member will have
unspecified values. In that case, it's not sufficient to know how the
different types are represented on this particular implementation of C.
You'll also need to know precisely what that particular compiler does
with such code. The portability of such code is correspondingly more
restricted.

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List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 10:04 -0700
  Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2012-05-03 17:38 +0000
    Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 10:50 -0700
      Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu> - 2012-05-03 11:09 -0700
        Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 11:18 -0700
          Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu> - 2012-05-03 11:24 -0700
            Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 11:35 -0700
              Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 11:56 -0700
              Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu> - 2012-05-03 12:16 -0700
                Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 12:20 -0700
                Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-05-03 12:39 -0700
          Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-07 17:51 -0700
            Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs "Joachim Schmitz" <nospam.jojo@schmitz-digital.de> - 2012-05-08 09:10 +0200
              Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-08 05:31 -0700
      Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2012-05-03 18:11 +0000
        Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 11:29 -0700
          Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2012-05-03 19:19 +0000
            Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 13:31 -0700
              Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 14:18 -0700
                Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 15:20 -0700
            Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2012-05-04 01:47 +0100
      Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-07 17:47 -0700
    Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-07 17:45 -0700
      Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com - 2012-05-08 00:43 -0700
        Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-08 06:17 -0700
  Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-05-03 12:46 -0700
    Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 13:35 -0700
      Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu> - 2012-05-03 14:05 -0700
        Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 14:11 -0700
          Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu> - 2012-05-03 15:02 -0700
            Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-07 18:10 -0700
              Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com - 2012-05-08 00:49 -0700
                Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-05-08 06:37 -0400
                Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-08 07:49 -0700
                Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-08 07:25 -0700
              Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu> - 2012-05-08 09:46 -0700
          Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-05-03 18:24 -0400
            Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-07 18:24 -0700
      Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2012-05-03 21:17 +0000
        Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-07 18:28 -0700
      Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-05-03 15:54 -0700
      Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Old Wolf <oldwolf@inspire.net.nz> - 2012-05-06 22:32 -0700
        Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-05-07 08:26 +0200
        Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-07 18:31 -0700
    Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-05-03 23:18 +0200
      Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-05-03 15:58 -0700
  Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-05-04 00:25 -0400
    Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 22:28 -0700
      Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-05-04 07:33 -0400
        Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-07 19:20 -0700
      Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-07 18:50 -0700
    Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-07 18:42 -0700
      Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-05-07 23:45 -0400
        Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-07 23:01 -0700
          Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-05-08 06:28 -0400
            Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-05-08 06:37 -0400
              Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-08 06:19 -0700

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