Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code

From	James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code
Date	2011-11-04 18:15 -0400
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On 11/04/2011 05:21 PM, ImpalerCore wrote:
...
> I'm curious about the whole 'int' return type placed on 'main' as
> well.  The only idea that I can come up with is that since Ritchie
> designed C to support the Unix operating system, and the Unix
> operating system wanted to implement pipes for inter-program
> communication, 'int main(...)' became the de-facto standard to use the
> return value in that sense.

AFAIK, the exit status from a program is used in Unix-like systems only
for communication between child processes and their parents, pipes need
not be involved, and usually aren't. In my personal experience, a shell
(sh, csh, tcsh, bsh, etc.) and make are the most common parent
processes. I'm not aware of any special connection between the exit
status and the use of pipes. Therefore, I find it odd that you might
consider pipes to have been the prime motivation for exit statuses.
Could you explain that idea in a little more detail?

Keep in mind that in C as it was originally designed, there was no
'void'. Functions declared with no return type were implicitly treated
as if they had a return type of 'int'. There were functions which didn't
bother setting the return value, and function calls which didn't bother
checking the return value, but there was no such thing as functions that
were declared as not returning a value. In such an environment, it would
be natural for main() to return an int, even if there was no particular
need to; and there was certainly a need for some mechanism whereby a
child process could report simple status information to its parent.

> ...  What's interesting is that there are
> other scenarios where returning a value from 'main' makes little to no
> sense, like in embedded systems designed to run a single stand-alone
> application "forever", with no opportunity for inter-process
> communication, and yet 'void main(...)' is ridiculed even though it
> seems to have a logical place in some application design domains.

I wouldn't ridicule void main(); the only thing I've ever done is point
out that it's not supported by the standard. If it were added to the
list of permitted signatures for main(), I'd have no objection.

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I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code zemir <zemir_fp@libero.it> - 2011-11-01 08:27 -0700
  Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Mark Bluemel <mark_bluemel@pobox.com> - 2011-11-01 15:49 +0000
  Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code nroberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2011-11-01 08:52 -0700
  Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2011-11-01 16:22 +0000
  Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2011-11-01 09:31 -0700
    Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Ike Naar <ike@sverige.freeshell.org> - 2011-11-01 16:57 +0000
      Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code zemir <zemir_fp@libero.it> - 2011-11-01 11:51 -0700
        Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-11-01 15:04 -0400
          Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-11-01 20:21 +0000
            Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2011-11-01 21:41 +0100
        Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-02 08:06 +1300
          Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code zemir <zemir_fp@libero.it> - 2011-11-01 13:17 -0700
            Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-11-01 16:24 -0400
              Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code zemir <zemir_fp@libero.it> - 2011-11-01 13:27 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-11-01 20:24 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2011-11-02 10:24 +0000
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-11-02 11:04 +0000
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-11-02 07:41 -0400
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-11-02 18:00 +0000
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-11-02 14:06 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2011-11-03 15:05 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-01-24 22:55 -0800
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2012-01-26 15:59 +0000
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201201.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2012-01-27 20:28 +0100
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Markus Wichmann <nullplan@gmx.net> - 2012-01-28 14:11 +0100
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2012-01-29 09:34 -0500
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Markus Wichmann <nullplan@gmx.net> - 2012-01-30 13:38 +0100
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2012-01-30 12:10 -0500
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Zoltan Kocsi <zoltan@bendor.com.au> - 2012-01-29 08:55 +1100
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-01-31 21:48 -0800
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-01-31 21:46 -0800
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-01-31 22:30 -0800
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-08 10:11 -0800
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-03-08 13:51 -0800
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-09 12:51 -0800
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-03-09 13:36 -0800
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-03-09 23:50 +0100
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-09 15:01 -0800
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-03-09 16:21 -0800
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2012-03-10 00:57 +0000
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-03-10 13:37 +0100
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2012-03-10 13:58 +0000
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-10 12:24 -0800
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-03-10 14:16 -0800
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-11 12:50 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2012-03-11 00:57 -0800
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-03-11 03:20 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2012-03-12 02:10 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-03-12 10:49 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2012-03-14 01:16 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Robert Miles <milesrf@Usenet-News.net> - 2012-04-15 06:53 -0500
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2012-04-15 19:45 +0200
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2012-04-15 15:06 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-04-16 10:56 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-03 10:19 +1300
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-11-02 21:10 +0000
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-11-03 05:13 +0000
              Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code zemir <zemir_fp@libero.it> - 2011-11-01 13:29 -0700
            Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-11-01 21:44 +0000
              Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Bill Reid <hormelfree@gmail.com> - 2011-11-03 06:33 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2011-11-03 07:05 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Bill Reid <hormelfree@gmail.com> - 2011-11-03 15:32 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-04 01:44 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Bill Reid <hormelfree@gmail.com> - 2011-11-04 07:30 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code John Gordon <gordon@panix.com> - 2011-11-04 16:03 +0000
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Bill Reid <hormelfree@gmail.com> - 2011-11-04 09:20 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code John Gordon <gordon@panix.com> - 2011-11-04 16:45 +0000
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Bill Reid <hormelfree@gmail.com> - 2011-11-04 11:59 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code John Gordon <gordon@panix.com> - 2011-11-04 19:32 +0000
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2011-11-05 04:07 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code John Gordon <gordon@panix.com> - 2011-11-04 16:54 +0000
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Bill Reid <hormelfree@gmail.com> - 2011-11-04 11:58 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-11-04 18:25 +0100
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code gordonb.e1fpi@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2011-11-04 13:50 -0500
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Pasquale Frega <zemir_fp@libero.it> - 2011-11-04 11:57 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-11-04 14:44 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code "osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2011-11-04 14:03 -0500
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-11-04 21:37 +0000
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                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2011-11-04 08:32 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Bill Reid <hormelfree@gmail.com> - 2011-11-04 09:04 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2011-11-04 10:28 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-11-03 18:35 +0000
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Pasquale Frega <zemir_fp@libero.it> - 2011-11-03 14:50 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-11-03 15:59 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Pasquale Frega <zemir_fp@libero.it> - 2011-11-04 12:00 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-11-04 20:58 +0100
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-11-04 21:13 +0100
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-04 01:56 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Pasquale Frega <zemir_fp@libero.it> - 2011-11-04 12:12 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-05 10:09 +1300
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Bill Reid <hormelfree@gmail.com> - 2011-11-03 15:32 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-11-03 22:53 +0000
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Bill Reid <hormelfree@gmail.com> - 2011-11-03 17:57 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-11-03 21:35 -0500
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-11-04 03:31 +0000
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-04 02:25 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Kulin Remailer <remailer@reece.net.au> - 2011-11-03 22:47 +0000
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Bill Reid <hormelfree@gmail.com> - 2011-11-03 16:14 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-11-03 21:55 -0500
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2011-11-04 08:10 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code ImpalerCore <jadill33@gmail.com> - 2011-11-04 14:21 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-11-04 16:31 -0500
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-05 10:41 +1300
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-11-04 21:38 +0000
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-11-04 22:18 -0500
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Lew Pitcher <lpitcher@teksavvy.com> - 2011-11-05 11:11 -0400
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Lew Pitcher <lpitcher@teksavvy.com> - 2011-11-05 11:13 -0400
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-11-05 23:35 -0500
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-11-06 07:40 +0000
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-11-04 18:15 -0400
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code ImpalerCore <jadill33@gmail.com> - 2011-11-04 20:00 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-11-04 23:19 -0400
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code ImpalerCore <jadill33@gmail.com> - 2011-11-04 20:33 -0700
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-11-05 03:52 +0000
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-05 17:01 +1300
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code ImpalerCore <jadill33@gmail.com> - 2011-11-04 21:48 -0700
          Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code zemir <zemir_fp@libero.it> - 2011-11-01 13:19 -0700
            Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-02 09:26 +1300
          Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code zemir <zemir_fp@libero.it> - 2011-11-01 13:23 -0700
            Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-02 09:27 +1300
              Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code zemir <zemir_fp@libero.it> - 2011-11-01 13:31 -0700
        Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2011-11-01 22:48 +0000
          Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-01-24 23:09 -0800
        Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code gordonb.prbii@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2011-11-01 21:24 -0500
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          Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Ike Naar <ike@sverige.freeshell.org> - 2011-11-03 06:39 +0000
          Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2011-11-03 18:33 -0700
            Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-04 03:03 -0700
              Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-11-04 11:40 +0100
              Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-11-04 11:36 +0000
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-11-04 15:58 +0000
          Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-11-04 07:24 +0100
            Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-11-04 10:28 +0100
              Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-11-04 16:02 +0100
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-11-04 16:20 +0100
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-11-04 16:39 +0100
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              Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2011-11-06 09:59 -0800
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-11-06 19:23 +0100
                Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-11-06 15:23 -0500
      Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code zemir <zemir_fp@libero.it> - 2011-11-01 11:52 -0700
        Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-11-01 23:02 +0000
  Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-02 03:53 -0700
    Re: I am learning C: a little problem with a simple source code James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-11-02 08:03 -0400
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