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Re: God doesn't believe in atheist

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The Starmaker wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> SteveGG amok-crossposted across 5(!) newsgroups without Followup-To:
>> > It takes hundreds of thousands of years for anything to transverse just
>> > one galaxy, including god's thoughts, so god would have to be a very
>> > slow thinker !
>> 
>> Your logic is flawed because a lifeform that we, at our current stage of
>> development, would accept as a deity, could have discovered laws of
>> physics
>> that we have not discovered yet.  Keep in mind:
>> 
>>   “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
>>   magic.”
>> 
>>     –Clarke’s third law
>> 
>> which can been rephrased as
>> 
>>   “Any sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence is
>>    indistinguishable from God.”
>> 
>>     –Shermer's last law

Your newsreader is broken.  Get a better one.  There were properly declared 
and encoded Unicode characters in my posting, not the character salad that 
you made out of them.
 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws>
>> 
>> However, the existence of such a lifeform grows the more unlikely the
>> more we develop our understanding of our universe.
> 
> The guy with the pointed ears is quoting...science fiction writers!!!

I have quoted *one* person who was *also* a science-fiction writer:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_C._Clarke>

The other, Michael Shermer, “is an American science writer, historian of 
science, founder of The Skeptics Society, and Editor in Chief of its 
magazine Skeptic, which is largely devoted to investigating pseudoscientific 
and supernatural claims.”  I understand that he received a B.A. in 
psychology, and a B.A. and a Ph.D. in the history of science.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Shermer>

What degrees have you received, “The Starmaker”?

> THAT'S INSANE!!!!

No, it is not.  Consider, for example, Asimov’s robots, and the ST:TNG 
android, Data, and compare with current robotics and the beginning of real-
life androids.  Consider “2001: A Space Odyssey” and compare with the 
International Space Station.  Consider the Star Trek tricorders and compare 
with real-life smartphones (and, most recently, a working medical instrument 
that is based on the medical tricorder and has won the Google XPrize).  
Consider Picard’s desktop mini-computer and compare with my laptop.  
Consider the Universal Translator and compare with Google Translate.  
Consider the Impulse drive and the Warp drive and compare with current 
developments in propulsion like ion thrusters.  And so on.

Science and technology have informed science-fiction at least as much as 
science-fiction has inspired scientists and inventors.  It is a fallacy to 
discredit an idea just because it comes from from science-fiction.

> British science fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke formulated three adages
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws

You are not paying attention.  I have already cited that.

> God had a dream...so he painted his dream.
> 
> 
> He took out his pen and drew a tree.

It is a dream … a *pipe* dream of yours and other creationists, who are 
unable to grasp the wonders of reality.

But we know since more than a century now that this is not how it happened. 

Instead: The tree formed, after billions of years of natural selection, from 
symbiotic plant cells, which formed first after aminoacids combined to form 
the DNA (DesoxyriboNucleic Acid) molecules located mostly in their cell 
nucleus.  Aminoacids contain, among other atoms, carbon atoms.  Carbon is a 
chemical element, the nuclei of its atoms which could only be produced by 
stellar nuclear fusion, i.e. in stars, and were ejected into the 
interstellar medium when those stars went supernova.  Stars formed after 
interstellar clouds of mostly hydrogen cooled by emitting radiation so that 
they could collapse in parts under their own gravitation, and the 
temperature of the collapsing parts of the cloud increased due to increasing 
gas pressure.  Those clouds of hydrogen gas formed from hydrogen atoms and 
free ions.  (All of this we can still *observe* happening in other parts of 
our universe, so by comparison to religion, it is _not_ just a story.)  A 
hydrogen atom consists of a proton and an electron.  And those particles 
were produced shortly after the Big Bang, about 13.8 billion years, short 
scale, ago.  (We can observe and have observed, over many years, the Cosmic 
Microwave Background, the afterglow of the Big Bang, which is evidence of 
the Big Bang.  Again, unlike religion, _not_ only a story.)

It strikes me as very odd that someone calling themselves “The Starmaker” is 
blissfully unaware of all of this.

> Which is worse, quoting from the bible or quoting from a ...science
> fiction book????

It is the validity of the thought, not its source, that matters.

Does it give you pleasure to ignore my Followup-To, and to crosspost *again* 
to *exactly* those newsgroups that I have trimmed from the previous 
crosspost?  Or are you simply unable to choose and handle properly the 
software that you are using?

F'up2 sci.physics.relativity *again*.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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