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Peter H. Coffin wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:22:30 +0000, Adrian Tuddenham wrote:
>> M. Strobel <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> wrote:
>>> [Page 3]
>>>    o  the default character set is changed from US-ASCII [ANSI1986] to
>>>       UTF-8 [RFC3629] (note that US-ASCII is a subset of UTF-8);

That is interesting, but hardly relevant here.  The relevant standard here 
is Proposed Standard RFC 5536 (Netnews Article Format, 2009 CE) which refers 
to Draft Standard RFC 5322 (Internet Message Format, 2008) for the general 
format of Internet messages, which in turn refers to the Draft Standards 
RFC 2045 to 2049 (MIME, 1996) for message encoding.

>>> I am so fed up with limited character sets like ISO-8859 or the Win
>>> encoding a programmer/sysadmin has to care about.

Do you even know that the so-called “ISO-8859-1” actually is Windows-1252?

> […]
> OTOH, curly-quotes (which IIRC were the issue here) add little, if
> anything, to clarity for any language, and certainly have no place in
> PHP coding.

Not quite.  While typographic/proper quotation marks (“curly-quotes” is a 
misnomer) have not been used as part of PHP code here (of course), there is 
nothing wrong with using them in syntactically correct ways, like *inside* 
string values, as long as the source code uses the corresponding character 
encoding and the encoding is properly declared (since PHP is encoding-
agnostic, if you declare and use UTF-8 – without BOM, preferably – you can 
type those characters verbatim; do not think that I &ldquo;'d and &rdquo;'d 
everything in PHP source code for <http://PointedEars.de/es-matrix>).

In fact, if the value is to be used in output, like non-code in a Web 
document, it is strongly recommended to use typographical quotes so as to 
improve the readability of the text.  However, few Web developers are aware 
of the benefits of Web typography; I must admit that I had not become very 
much aware of it myself before writing my thesis (in publishable texts like 
scientific works you *must* use correct typography).  Only that some longer 
time before that I had already written PHP code that automatically 
transformed “ASCII” typography into proper one for an e-book; I should 
probably refactor and reuse it now.
 

PointedEars
-- 
Prototype.js was written by people who don't know javascript for people
who don't know javascript. People who don't know javascript are not
the best source of advice on designing systems that use javascript.
  -- Richard Cornford, cljs, <f806at$ail$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>

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mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated oldyork90 <oldyork90@yahoo.com> - 2013-03-19 20:49 -0700
  Re: mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-03-20 06:42 -0400
    Re: mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated oldyork90 <oldyork90@yahoo.com> - 2013-03-20 07:09 -0700
      Re: mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-03-20 15:29 +0100
        Re: mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated The Cat in the Hat <doctor@suess.com> - 2013-03-20 21:58 +0000
          UTF-8 charset (was: mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated) Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2013-03-20 23:45 +0100
            Re: UTF-8 charset (was: mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated) The Cat in the Hat <doctor@suess.com> - 2013-03-20 23:13 +0000
              Re: UTF-8 charset The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-03-20 23:31 +0000
              Re: UTF-8 charset "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2013-03-21 10:11 +0100
                Re: UTF-8 charset adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham) - 2013-03-21 14:31 +0000
                Re: UTF-8 charset The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-03-21 16:22 +0000
                Re: UTF-8 charset "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2013-03-21 18:05 +0100
                Re: UTF-8 charset Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-03-22 01:17 +0100
                Re: UTF-8 charset Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2013-03-22 01:55 +0100
                Unicode support (was: UTF-8 charset) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-03-22 02:16 +0100
                Re: Unicode support Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2013-03-30 13:57 +0100
                Re: Unicode support Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-03-30 14:25 +0100
                Re: Unicode support The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-03-30 14:33 +0000
                Re: Unicode support Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2013-03-30 15:55 +0100
                Re: Unicode support The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-03-30 18:04 +0000
                Re: Unicode support Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2013-03-30 21:26 +0100
                Re: Unicode support The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-03-30 21:26 +0000
                Re: Unicode support Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2013-03-30 23:14 +0100
                Re: Unicode support The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-03-30 22:29 +0000
                Re: Unicode support "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2013-03-31 14:10 +0200
                Re: Unicode support The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-03-31 13:41 +0100
                Re: Unicode support "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2013-03-31 19:12 +0200
                Re: Unicode support Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-03-30 20:18 +0100
                Re: Unicode support Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2013-03-30 21:05 +0100
                Re: Unicode support Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-03-30 21:19 +0100
                Re: Unicode support "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2013-03-31 14:06 +0200
                Re: Unicode support "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2013-04-02 19:59 +0200
                Re: Unicode support The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-03-30 14:29 +0000
                Re: UTF-8 charset The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-03-22 10:50 +0000
                Re: UTF-8 charset "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2013-03-22 09:46 +0100
                Re: UTF-8 charset "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2013-03-21 18:36 +0100
                Re: UTF-8 charset [OT] adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham) - 2013-03-21 18:22 +0000
                Re: UTF-8 charset [OT] "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> - 2013-03-21 15:00 -0500
                Re: UTF-8 charset [OT] Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-03-22 01:47 +0100
            Re: UTF-8 charset The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-03-20 23:20 +0000
              Re: UTF-8 charset Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2013-03-20 16:39 -0700
          Re: mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-03-20 23:29 -0400
          OT: Xnews mime-proxy (was: mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated) BootNic <bootnic.bounce@gmail.com> - 2013-03-21 10:53 -0400
        Re: mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated oldyork90 <oldyork90@yahoo.com> - 2013-03-21 06:43 -0700

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