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Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel

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Pentcho Valev wrote:

> Einstein's 1905 false constant-speed-of-light postulate

This postulate in the main paper of the special theory of relativity is 
based on *centuries* of *prior* observation by *other* people (the Danish 
astronomer Ole Rømer was the first person to measure it in 1676[!] and 
showed that it does not depend on the motion of the emitting body, which was 
a Jovian moon, Io, at the time).

You have yet to explain how all the people *before* Einstein could have been 
wrong.  You have yet to explain how all people *after* Einstein could have 
been wrong.  You have yet to explain how computers, satellite navigation, 
nuclear power (and weapons), solar cells, particle accelerators, and 
gravitational wave detectors, to name just a few important inventions, can 
*work* if something is fundamentally wrong with special relativity.

But you won’t.  All you can do is make up lies about the people and the 
work, and make the same spurious claims again and again, because there 
simply is *no evidence supporting those claims*.  Probably you are hoping 
that your lies and nonsensical claims will stick if you repeat them often 
enough.  Well, they will not, because your nonsense simply *contradicts* 
*reality* *observed* *a* *thousandfold*.

> combined with the principle of relativity,

… which *Galilei* introduced into natural philosophy, later Newton as he 
laid the foundation for physics by applying mathematics to the description 
of natural phenomena …

> entails symmetrical time dilation -

True.  Curious that *only a few postings ago* you claimed the opposite, also 
whining about relativity.

> either clock is slow as judged from the other clock's system.

Surprisingly, that is one statement by you that is correct for a pair of 
clocks where each is moving relative to the other.  Whereas “system” is 
better called “rest frame of reference” – the frame of reference in which 
the respective clock is at rest, i.e. is not moving.

> If Einstein had honestly derived this in 1905, his paper would not even
> have been published -

Nonsense.

> symmetrical time dilation is not even wrong.

Wait a minute, you said it would be correct just one sentence ago.  Make up 
your mind.

> Einstein overcame the difficulty by deriving, fraudulently and invalidly $
> of course, asymmetrical time dilation - […]

Not even wrong.

> in his 1905 article

It was a _paper_ submitted to the Royal Prussian Academy of Sciences, not an 
article.  Don’t you know *anything*?

> the moving clock is slow and lags behind the stationary one which is, […]

You still don’t get it, do you?  There is not *the* moving clock and not 
*the* stationary clock per se.  When two clocks are moving relative to each 
other, depending on the *arbitrarily* *chosen* *rest* frame of reference, 
the *other* clock, in the *other* frame of reference, is the moving one and 
it is observed to tick slower than the one in the chosen rest frame.  (IOW, 
choose another frame in which another clock is at rest, then the first clock 
is the moving one and is ticking slower than the one you *chose* to be at 
rest.)

Because the speed of light *is* constant and the same in all frames of 
reference (no matter their relative velocity to another frame), so the light 
from the *other*, *moving* clock has to travel a *longer* *distance* to the 
observer who stays with/follows *their*, *stationary* clock, and so the time 
signals emitted from it arrive *later* and *later* at the observer’s 
location than from the clock chosen to be the stationary one.

Basically, it is simple *high-school level* *geometry* that you still fail 
to grasp here: the Pythagorean theorem.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation#Simple_inference_of_time_dilation_due_to_relative_velocity>

> [tl;dr]

You are a pitiful person with a very sick mind.  Get well soon.

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Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-14 23:43 -0700
  Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-15 05:53 -0700
    Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-15 06:35 -0700
      Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-06-15 19:59 +0200
        Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-15 23:01 -0700
      Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-15 14:11 -0700
    Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-06-16 08:30 -0700
      Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 12:18 -0500
        Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-06-21 07:55 -0700
          Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 10:10 -0500
            Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-06-22 06:16 -0700
              Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 08:25 -0500
  Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-15 06:48 -0700
    Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-06-15 20:40 +0200
    Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-16 04:55 -0700
      Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-16 05:09 -0700
        Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-16 15:38 -0700
          Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-16 19:13 -0700
            Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-17 15:51 -0700
      Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-17 02:43 -0700
        Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-17 04:42 -0700
          Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-17 05:02 -0700
            Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-17 06:47 -0700
              Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-17 06:53 -0700
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-17 07:27 -0700
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-17 17:40 +0200
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-17 10:47 -0700
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-17 19:58 +0200
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-17 15:27 -0700
            Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-17 16:06 -0700
              Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-17 16:15 -0700
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-06-18 18:56 -0500
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-19 05:15 -0700
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-06-19 12:16 -0500
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-19 11:18 -0700
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-21 12:12 -0700
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-21 13:50 -0700
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-22 06:59 -0700
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 12:44 -0700
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-22 21:47 +0200
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 16:58 -0700
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-19 20:37 +0200
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-06-20 00:19 +0200
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-19 20:30 +0200
              Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-17 16:17 -0700
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 20:29 -0700
              Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-18 21:29 +0200
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-18 13:25 -0700
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-18 22:46 +0200
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-18 15:04 -0700
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-19 06:26 +0200
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 20:39 -0700
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-20 23:12 -0700
                Re: Actually Einstein's Relativity Predicts No Time Travel Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-21 08:00 -0700

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