Re: C String terminator

Subject	Re: C String terminator
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From	Bart <bc@freeuk.com>
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Date	2020-01-14 20:01 +0000

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On 14/01/2020 19:17, David Brown wrote:
> On 14/01/2020 18:53, Bart wrote:
>> On 14/01/2020 17:43, T wrote:

>>> And good luck stopping a WinAPI call from careening
>>> until it finds a nul if you don't nul terminate it.
>>
>> Most functions in libraries that take a char* that represents text, 
>> expect it to be nul-terminated.
>>
>> I find that a nuisance as I make extensive use of either counted 
>> strings (with attached length) or strings with a length stored 
>> separately.
>>
>> Calling an API function requiring a terminating string, means 
>> allocating N+1 bytes, copying the string into it, adding the 
>> terminator, then passing that block. Then deallocating when done.
> 
> People could say exactly the same thing about working with Pascal 
> strings when they have a C string.
> 
> If you find you are often doing such conversions, why not just make sure 
> you have N + 2 bytes of space in the first place?  Your first extra byte 
> is the length (limited to 255 byte strings), then comes the data.  And 
> you can just do "s[s[0]] = 0" to get the null termination before calling 
> the C function (with s + 1 as the address).

This only really works for certain kinds of strings. For example, when 
you are dealing with an entire, self-contained string when it is not 
part of a larger object, or a larger string.

If the counted string involved is a field of a struct, and it needs to 
have and be able to use all N bytes of its length, there is no room to 
put a terminator for any string of length N.

(Here, there are ways to have a string count, and to use all bytes; to 
use such string involves constructing a (pointer,length) descriptor, but 
adding a terminator involves duplicating it.)

But most importantly, when the counted string is a slice to a substring 
which is in the middle of another string, you can't write past the end 
of it to add a zero.

Even for independent strings, ensuring space for a terminator can mean 
double the allocation space when a string already contains 2**N 
characters, depending on allocation strategy.

This also also complicates management: you are not dealing with N bytes 
of its length, but N+1 bytes. Empty strings that normally are dealt with 
simply by N=0 (and there is no pointer), for passing to C functions 
require special-casing and providing either NULL or "".

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C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-14 09:22 -0800
  Re: C String terminator Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-01-14 09:32 -0800
    Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-14 09:43 -0800
      Re: C String terminator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-01-14 17:53 +0000
        Re: C String terminator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-01-14 20:17 +0100
          Re: C String terminator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-01-14 20:01 +0000
      Re: C String terminator Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-01-14 09:57 -0800
        Re: C String terminator Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-01-14 11:37 -0800
          Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-15 09:02 -0800
            Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-15 09:38 -0800
              Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-15 09:53 -0800
        Re: C String terminator Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2020-01-14 20:48 +0100
    Re: C String terminator chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2020-01-15 05:43 -0800
      Re: C String terminator Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-01-15 07:12 -0800
      Re: C String terminator Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-01-15 15:35 +0000
        Re: C String terminator chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2020-01-19 06:20 -0800
    Re: C String terminator Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-01-15 10:52 -0800
      Re: C String terminator Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-01-15 12:52 -0800
        Re: C String terminator gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2020-01-15 20:56 +0000
        Re: C String terminator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-01-16 02:17 +0000
        Re: C String terminator Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-01-15 21:54 -0800
          Re: C String terminator fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2020-01-16 02:07 -0800
            Re: C String terminator Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-01-16 02:45 -0800
              Re: C String terminator Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2020-01-16 08:21 -0700
                Re: C String terminator Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-01-16 08:03 -0800
              Re: C String terminator John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2020-01-16 09:06 -0800
              Re: C String terminator James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-01-16 11:29 -0800
      Re: C String terminator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-01-16 02:01 +0000
        Re: C String terminator James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-01-15 23:02 -0500
        Re: C String terminator David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-01-16 11:15 +0100
          Re: C String terminator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-01-16 13:07 +0000
        Re: C String terminator Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2020-01-17 18:43 +0100
          Re: C String terminator Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-01-21 04:00 -0800
          Re: C String terminator James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-01-21 05:00 -0800
  Re: C String terminator Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2020-01-14 12:36 -0700
    Re: C String terminator Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-01-14 12:05 -0800
      Re: C String terminator Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2020-01-14 13:54 -0700
        Re: C String terminator James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-01-14 15:03 -0800
          Re: C String terminator Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2020-01-15 04:55 -0800
            Re: C String terminator Guillaume <message@bottle.org> - 2020-01-15 20:49 +0100
              Re: C String terminator Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2020-01-15 12:55 -0800
        Re: C String terminator Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-01-14 21:31 -0800
    Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-15 09:28 -0800
      Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-15 09:38 -0800
        Re: C String terminator Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2020-01-15 10:50 -0700
          Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-15 10:17 -0800
        Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-15 09:53 -0800
  Re: C String terminator Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-01-14 21:43 -0500
  Re: C String terminator "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2020-01-14 22:52 -0800
    Re: C String terminator "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2020-01-14 22:54 -0800
  Re: C String terminator Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-01-15 02:00 -0800
    Re: C String terminator gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2020-01-15 10:47 +0000
      Re: C String terminator Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-01-15 03:02 -0800
    Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-15 10:19 -0800
      Re: C String terminator Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-01-15 11:33 -0800
        Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-15 12:03 -0800
          Re: C String terminator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-01-16 01:30 +0000
            Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-15 18:17 -0800
              Re: C String terminator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-01-16 03:44 +0000
                Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-15 20:33 -0800
          Re: C String terminator fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2020-01-16 02:26 -0800
  Re: C String terminator Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-01-15 15:11 +0000
    Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-15 09:32 -0800
      Re: C String terminator Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-01-15 10:47 -0800
        Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-15 10:58 -0800
          Re: C String terminator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-01-16 01:39 +0000
            Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-15 18:27 -0800
              Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-15 19:03 -0800
              Re: C String terminator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-01-16 03:28 +0000
                Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-15 19:33 -0800
                Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-15 19:38 -0800
                Re: C String terminator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-01-16 13:31 +0000
                Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-16 09:09 -0800
                Re: C String terminator Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2020-01-16 10:27 -0700
                Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-16 10:54 -0800
                Re: C String terminator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-01-16 20:59 +0000
                Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-16 14:11 -0800
                Re: C String terminator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-01-16 20:17 +0000
                Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-16 14:14 -0800
                Re: C String terminator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-01-16 23:45 +0000
                Yes, Ben makes house calls (Was: C String terminator) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2020-01-16 23:57 +0000
                Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-17 11:28 -0800
                Re: C String terminator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-01-17 20:46 +0000
                Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-17 12:48 -0800
                Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-17 12:54 -0800
                Re: C String terminator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-01-17 21:02 +0000
                Re: C String terminator Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-01-17 21:21 +0000
                Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-17 13:35 -0800
                Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-17 13:44 -0800
                Re: C String terminator fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2020-01-17 15:03 -0800
                Re: C String terminator fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2020-01-17 15:06 -0800
                Re: C String terminator Ike Naar <ike@sdf.lonestar.org> - 2020-01-18 07:30 +0000
                Re: C String terminator Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2020-01-17 16:06 -0500
                Re: C String terminator Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2020-01-17 16:23 -0500
                Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-17 13:37 -0800
                Re: C String terminator Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-01-21 04:10 -0800
                Re: C String terminator Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-01-21 10:41 -0800
                Re: C String terminator Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2020-01-17 01:55 -0800
                Re: C String terminator Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-01-17 09:52 -0800
                Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-17 11:29 -0800
                Re: C String terminator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-01-16 18:21 +0000
                Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-16 10:50 -0800
                Re: C String terminator Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-01-16 20:50 +0000
                Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-16 14:17 -0800
  Re: C String terminator Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-01-15 09:59 -0800
  Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-15 10:15 -0800
  Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-18 21:42 -0800
    Re: C String terminator T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2020-01-19 22:13 -0800
  Re: C String terminator Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-01-21 19:49 +0100
  Re: C String terminator John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2020-01-21 15:33 -0800
    Re: C String terminator Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-01-21 23:19 -0800
    Re: C String terminator Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-01-22 08:39 +0100
      Re: C String terminator chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2020-01-22 06:59 -0800
        Re: C String terminator Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-01-22 18:44 +0100

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