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Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package

Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Date 2017-01-06 17:58 -0800
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Subject Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package
From hughaguilar96@gmail.com

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On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 7:20:50 PM UTC-7, hughag...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 6:50:58 PM UTC-7, Alexander Wegel wrote:
> > <hughaguilar96@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 5:30:24 AM UTC-7, Alexander Wegel wrote:
> > > > Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Perhaps that's 
> > > > > why there is little interest in using Forth libraries - users find them
> > > > > bug-ridden due to poor testing.
> > > > 
> > > > Hugh doesn't test properly either, otherwise he would have noticed
> > > > (sometimes in the last 7 years) that "concrete-alloc" in his package
> > > > doesn't work.
> > > > 
> > > > (Just to somewhat get back to the topic.)
> > > 
> > > CONCRETE-ALLOC works fine.
> > > 
> > > : aaa <allocation> ;  ok
> > > here . 4785429  ok
> > >
> > > dup aaa  ok
> > > . -10  ok
> > > 20 resize  ok
> > > . 0  ok
> > > dup aaa  ok
> > > . 20  ok
> > > free  ok
> > > . 0  ok
> > 
> > 123 10 concrete-alloc drop ok
> > . 128  ok
> > 
> > It corrupts the stack because you used ALIGNED where you should have
> > used ALIGN.
> 
> Well, you got me on that one --- it should have been ALIGN rather than ALIGNED in there.
> 
> > aaa? Cute.
> 
> You're still a jerk...

When I wrote CONCRETE-ALLOC I was still using SwiftForth version-2 (which I paid over $400 for). This is how ALIGN and ALIGNED are defined:

ICODE ALIGNED ( a -- a )
   RET END-CODE                     \ aligned is noop, no alignment enforced

ICODE ALIGN ( -- )
   RET END-CODE                     \ align is noop, no alignment enforced

Alex Wegel was wrong when he said that I don't test my code. Testing ANS-Forth code under SwiftForth doesn't work very well because SwiftForth has bugs of its own. It is true however that I should have read the ANS-Forth document more closely so that I would know the difference between ALIGN and ALIGNED so that at some future date when my code runs on an ANS-Forth system other than SwiftForth it will work correctly.

Later on when writing my array definers I discovered the bug in SwiftForth when I noticed that ALIGN and ALIGNED weren't working. I pointed this out here:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/comp.lang.forth/bug$20SwiftForth%7Csort:relevance/comp.lang.forth/YnJWfA31vww/B4XvvHSiKJwJ

Not surprisingly, I was attacked for this. Stephen Pelc says:

On Sunday, June 13, 2010 at 4:43:09 AM UTC-7, Stephen Pelc wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:09:24 -0700 (PDT), Hugh Aguilar
> <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> >Check this out:
> >
> >see aligned
> >403F5F   RET                            C3 ok
> >see align
> >403F7F   RET                            C3 ok
> 
> If you read the ANS standard carefully, you will discover that these
> definitions are perfectly legal.

A careful reading of the ANS-Forth document does indicate that ALIGN and ALIGNED may or may not align. This is more ambiguity though! Words should do the same thing under every ANS-Forth system. It is ambiguous to have ALIGN and ALIGNED align on some ANS-Forth systems and do nothing on other ANS-Forth systems --- an application program that assumes that they work or that they don't work will not be portable to ANS-Forth systems that do the opposite. The purpose of a standard is portability. Words should be standardized in what they do, and they should do the same thing on every standard system --- all of this "may or may not" ambiguity prevents code from being portable.

Also, as a practical matter, all modern processors get a major boost in speed from aligned data. The only x86 processor that didn't, was the 8088 (because it had an 8-bit data-bus), but every x86 from the 8086 upward has benefited from aligned data. Failure to make ALIGN and ALIGNED work properly in SwiftForth indicates a profound lack of knowledge of basic assembly-language programming at Forth Inc..

Here is a post (dated 2010) that really sets the tone for comp.lang.forth for the next 6 years:

On Saturday, June 12, 2010 at 6:04:38 PM UTC-7, Josh Grams wrote:
> Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> > On Jun 12, 9:38?am, Josh Grams <j...@qualdan.com> wrote:
> >> Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> >>> Check this out:
> >>
> >>> see aligned
> >>> 403F5F ? RET ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?C3 ok
> >>> see align
> >>> 403F7F ? RET ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?C3 ok
> >>
> >> Yes, on CPUs which don't require alignment, the standard allows them to
> >> be no-ops.  It's not a bug, just an implementation decision.
> >
> > The ANS-Forth standard (3.3.3.1) says this:
> > "Most addresses used in ANS-Forth are aligned addresses (indicated by
> > a-addr) or character-aligned (indicated by c-addr). ... The only way
> > to find the next aligned address is with ALIGNED."
> >
> > Also, the stack picture for ALIGNED is: ( addr -- a-addr )
> >
> > The description of ALIGNED says:
> > "a-addr is the first aligned address greater than or equal to addr."
> >
> > What all this means is that ALIGNED is supposed to return an *aligned*
> > address. It doesn't matter whether the processor "requires" the
> > address to be aligned or not --- it is supposed to be aligned.
> 
> Ah, but you missed the crucial bit: 3.1.3.3 (Addresses) says that "The
> set of aligned addresses is an implementation-defined subset of
> character-aligned addresses."  And "The set of character-aligned
> addresses, addresses at which a character can be accessed, is an
> implementation-defined subset of all addresses."
> 
> So on a CPU where alignment is not required, an implementation may
> define the set of character-aligned addresses and aligned addresses to
> be the full set of addresses.  Confirming this, A.6.1.0705 ALIGN says
> "Implementors may define these words as no-ops on systems for which they
> aren't functional."  There is language to similar effect in A.3.3.3.1 as
> well.
> 
> ALIGN and ALIGNED are present to allow standard programs to work
> regardless of what alignment requirements are present, not to provide
> natural alignment.
> 
> > Besides that, as a practical matter, any processor bigger that a 65c02
> > is going to have a speed penalty for the use of unaligned addresses,
> > even if they aren't strictly required.
> 
> I didn't say that I agreed with the design decision, merely that it is
> allowed under the Standard, and is probably intentional, not a bug.  As
> you found, it's easy enough to redefine them with versions which give
> natural alignment, if that's what you want.
> 
> >> Crappy code, as usual.
> >>
> >> Don't use mod: it's the remainder from a *signed* division.
> >
> > You are right that I shouldn't have used MOD because it is for signed
> > numbers.
> >
> > But I also think that your remark, "crappy code, as usual," was
> > uncalled for. Don't you have any self respect, that you use mean-
> > spirited vulgar language like this in a public forum?
> >
> > When I complained about Passaniti saying that my code "sucks" and that
> 
> After you whined and screamed about Passaniti doing a little bit of
> analysis and pointing out that your algorithm wasn't particularly good
> at the purpose for which you were recommending...  Yeah, that was when I
> stopped taking you even a little bit seriously.
> 
> But then at one point I had occasion to say something somewhat
> derogatory about your code and post a correction, and you didn't say
> anything about it.
> 
> Since then, I've been amusing myself by seeing how long I could get away
> with it before you noticed...so I've been escalating.  One time you even
> complimented me on posting code here (all two or three lines worth!).  I
> think this is the third time?  Quicker than I expected; I thought I'd
> get one more round out of it.
> 
> Anyway, I'm done now; I'll go back to ignoring you.
> 
> --Josh

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                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-19 09:47 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 02:44 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-19 06:16 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 07:43 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-19 11:07 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 14:58 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-20 03:48 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-20 06:54 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-20 09:11 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-20 07:30 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-20 12:12 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-20 16:27 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-21 03:24 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-22 12:47 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-22 14:41 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-22 15:57 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-23 04:05 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-23 10:47 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-01-24 01:02 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-24 01:12 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-23 16:28 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-01-24 01:06 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-24 03:22 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-01-24 14:19 +0100
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-24 03:13 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-24 08:08 -0500
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-01-24 14:23 +0100
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-24 09:10 -0500
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-24 15:35 +0000
                Persitent memory (was Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-24 14:19 -0500
                Re: Persitent memory (was Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-24 15:00 -0500
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-24 14:49 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-25 03:26 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-26 04:27 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-26 08:35 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-01-21 14:19 +0100
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-22 12:55 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-19 15:28 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 14:44 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-01-19 20:30 -0500
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-20 18:21 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-20 03:52 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-20 06:58 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-20 12:57 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-20 16:31 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-20 17:31 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-19 08:48 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-19 17:18 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package alex@rivadpm.com - 2017-01-19 11:01 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 14:51 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-01-19 13:07 +0100
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-19 14:26 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-16 09:03 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-15 15:08 -1000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-15 17:23 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-01-15 22:18 -0500
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-16 09:08 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 06:56 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-14 09:31 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-15 17:33 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-10 09:55 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-09 04:05 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 16:00 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-10 04:13 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 06:40 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-02 21:07 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-03 04:46 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 16:11 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-04 04:27 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 14:26 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-04 23:09 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-05 00:02 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 02:19 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 05:56 -0500
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 06:33 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-05 16:56 +0100
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-05 19:03 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 06:45 -0500
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-05 04:27 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 06:22 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-05 09:10 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-04 23:05 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-03 22:05 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 13:44 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-01 20:53 -1000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-01 19:55 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-01 21:13 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2017-01-02 07:14 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-02 07:42 -1000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-01-03 02:00 +0100
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-01-03 00:13 -0500
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-02 22:02 -1000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-03 11:19 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-03 21:37 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-02 21:55 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-03 11:26 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-02 10:47 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-02 20:57 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-30 18:35 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2016-12-31 04:29 +0100
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-12-31 10:19 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-02 17:08 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-01-06 13:39 +1100
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-05 19:13 -0800
          Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-27 23:57 -0800
            Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2016-12-30 20:54 +0100
        Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-29 19:05 -0800
          Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-29 19:38 -0800
          Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-12-30 15:24 +1100
          Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-12-30 16:01 +0000
            Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-30 14:33 -0800
        Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-29 16:04 -0800
          Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-12-30 12:42 +1100
          Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-12-30 07:24 +0000
            Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-30 12:50 -0800
              Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-12-30 21:43 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-30 14:38 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-12-31 10:31 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-31 07:04 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-31 07:07 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-12-31 07:46 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-31 08:28 -0800
        Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-12-30 16:53 +0100
        Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-06 20:49 -0800
          Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-01-06 23:28 -0600
            Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-06 22:22 -0800
          Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-07 14:55 +0100
            Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-07 21:20 +0000
              Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-07 22:57 +0100
            Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-08 17:02 +0000
              Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-08 16:55 -0800

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