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Re: The Death of 10.8?

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In article <slrnl6vml8.dqj.mr@irc.sandman.net>, Sandman
<mr@sandman.net> wrote:

> >  If I recall correctly from my days in software development, alpha means
> >  feature complete; i.e., all features specified in the design documents
> >  are in place and work at least rudimentally.
> 
> Not generally not. It's up to anyone how they want to apply these labels to 
> their projects of course, but hte consensus is that "alpha" means that the 
> software is run internally for testing.

The definitions I gave are my recollection of how we used the terms at
Claris.

> "beta" is when the software is feature-complete and it is released for 
> external testing (by users, other developers, depending on your setup).

Sometimes we didn't release the products for external testing until we
were in late beta; just because it was beta didn't mean we released it
for external testing.

> Some use "pre-alpha" as well to signify the phase before internal testing 
> and very little executable code has been written. Depending on how you 
> develop this phase can include mockups, UI stacks, databases and data, but 
> not anything complete to hold them together. :)

We were testing during pre-alpha, but only those areas the developers
said to test.  The object was to find and fix bugs as early in the
development cycle as we could possibly do.

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The Death of 10.8? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 14:08 +0000
  Re: The Death of 10.8? Mordred <mordred@gmail.com> - 2013-10-28 15:53 +0100
    Re: The Death of 10.8? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 15:12 +0000
      Re: The Death of 10.8? Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-28 08:34 -0700
        Re: The Death of 10.8? android <here@there.was> - 2013-10-28 16:48 +0100
          Re: The Death of 10.8? android <here@there.was> - 2013-10-28 16:55 +0100
            Re: The Death of 10.8? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-28 16:24 +0000
              Re: The Death of 10.8? android <here@there.was> - 2013-10-28 17:33 +0100
              Re: The Death of 10.8? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 10:10 -0700
              Re: The Death of 10.8? David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2013-10-28 16:14 -0400
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                Re: The Death of 10.8? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 14:23 -0700
        Re: The Death of 10.8? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 15:54 +0000
          Re: The Death of 10.8? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-28 14:50 -0400
            Re: The Death of 10.8? Mordred <mordred@gmail.com> - 2013-10-28 19:56 +0100
              Re: The Death of 10.8? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-28 15:11 -0400
            Re: The Death of 10.8? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 21:24 +0000
              Re: The Death of 10.8? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-28 18:10 -0400
                Re: The Death of 10.8? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 07:49 +0000
                Re: The Death of 10.8? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-29 05:49 -0400
                Re: The Death of 10.8? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 10:25 +0000
                Re: The Death of 10.8? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-29 06:52 -0400
                Re: The Death of 10.8? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 11:41 +0000
                Re: The Death of 10.8? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-29 10:29 -0400
                Re: The Death of 10.8? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 15:38 +0000
                Re: The Death of 10.8? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 06:36 -0700
                Re: The Death of 10.8? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 06:35 -0700
                Re: The Death of 10.8? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 06:33 -0700
                Re: The Death of 10.8? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-29 08:47 -0500
                Re: The Death of 10.8? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 15:45 +0000
                Re: The Death of 10.8? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 14:32 -0400
                Re: The Death of 10.8? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-29 09:57 -0400
                Re: The Death of 10.8? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 07:35 -0700
                Re: The Death of 10.8? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 15:50 +0000
                Re: The Death of 10.8? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 08:58 -0700
                Re: The Death of 10.8? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 16:03 +0000
                Re: The Death of 10.8? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 23:36 +0000
                Re: The Death of 10.8? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 14:32 -0400
          Re: The Death of 10.8? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-28 18:11 -0400
    Re: The Death of 10.8? David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2013-10-28 12:19 -0400
      Re: The Death of 10.8? Mordred <mordred@gmail.com> - 2013-10-28 19:59 +0100
    Re: The Death of 10.8? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-28 16:22 +0000
      Re: The Death of 10.8? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 20:53 +0000
        Re: The Death of 10.8? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-28 21:55 +0000
          Re: The Death of 10.8? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 22:53 +0000
            Re: The Death of 10.8? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-28 18:58 -0400
              Re: The Death of 10.8? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 23:24 +0000
            Re: The Death of 10.8? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-28 19:13 -0400
              Re: The Death of 10.8? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 16:32 -0700
                Re: The Death of 10.8? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 16:35 -0700
                Re: The Death of 10.8? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-28 20:04 -0400
                Re: The Death of 10.8? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-28 22:45 -0400
                Re: The Death of 10.8? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 23:26 +0000
                Re: The Death of 10.8? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-29 18:14 -0700
                Re: The Death of 10.8? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-28 23:59 -0400
    Re: The Death of 10.8? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 20:50 +0000
    Re: The Death of 10.8? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-29 10:53 +1300

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