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Re: Fireman

From Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net>
Newsgroups alt.usage.english
Subject Re: Fireman
Date 2026-07-29 23:50 +0100
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 Ar an naoú lá is fiche de mí Iúil, scríobh Liz Tuddenham: 

 > [...] [ 13.179 [...]There is no type of official record or document in the
 > UK which provides reliable evidence of sex. For example, sex on passports
 > and driving licences may be changed with or without a Gender Recognition
 > Certificate (GRC), and birth certificates may reflect the acquired gender of
 > someone who has a GRC.]
 > 
 > It is clear from this that they consider sex assigned at birth to be the
 > only legitimate definition of "sex". A Gender Recognition Certificate
 > specifies that the reassigned sex is "for all purposes" and this has not
 > been changed, so this Guidance goes aginst the law in many cases.  (The
 > Supreme Court defined "Biological Sex" to mean the sex recorded on the
 > original birth certificate only for certain specific purposes - and
 > using toilets wasn't one of them. )
 > 
 > [. 13.178  Where an individual confirms, in response to such a request,
 > that they are not of the sex for which the single or separate-sex
 > service or association in question is intended, they may be required to
 > leave and thereafter be excluded from the service.]
 > 
 > From this, according to the ECHR Guidance, anyone can be prevented from
 > using the facility if their sex assigned at birth does not conform with
 > the designateed sex of the facility (as I originally stated).  So a
 > transwomen who transitioned 30 years ago and has used the Ladies without
 > the slightest problem during the whole of that time has to now be told
 > she must use the Gents.  
 > 
 > This Guidance is illegal because it contravenes the Supreme Court
 > definition of a "Single Sex Space" and Section 9(1) of the Gender
 > Recognition Act 2004   but it hasn't stopped employers trying to enforce
 > it on their transgender employees even before it has become law.  169
 > Members of Parliament have told the Minister that they think it should
 > not be made law, but it has been pushed through without a vote.

To be clear, international conventions override national law, so rulings
according to international conventions are not illegal if the relevant nation
is a signatory to the convention. The relevant country has the option of
pulling out, or (less likely in Western Europe these days) of starting a war to
force the convention to be changed should the that country feel the convention
is not to its satisfaction.

If the UK feels that the EHCR ruling is not to its satisfaction, it has the
option of pulling out of the convention, war with the other signatories, or
providing a document which is reliable evidence of sex. The last is likely the
most sensible use of resources.

-- 
‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
(C. Moore)

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                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-17 11:02 +0100
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                Re: Fireman [OT] liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-23 12:00 +0100
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                Re: Fireman [OT] Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 13:20 -0400
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                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-23 15:35 +0100
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                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 21:42 +0200
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                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 22:55 +0100
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-10 13:25 +0000
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                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-30 21:55 +1000
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                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-02 20:01 +0000
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 22:38 +0200
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-02 21:41 +0000
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 21:55 +0200
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-28 22:02 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 18:51 -0400
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-29 01:51 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-29 07:01 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 09:25 -0400
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-29 14:43 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 10:35 -0400
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-29 15:47 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 10:58 -0400
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:17 +0100
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-29 19:58 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-30 06:26 +0100
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 20:24 +0100
                Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-30 22:05 +0100
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 23:33 +0100
                Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-31 08:56 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-31 09:57 +0200
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-31 21:50 +0100
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-29 19:56 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-30 19:34 +0200
                Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 11:13 -0700
                Re: Fireman Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:38 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 12:12 -0400
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-29 19:58 +0100
                Re: Fireman Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-29 21:00 +0100
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-29 22:13 +0000
                Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 14:47 -0700
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 20:26 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-30 22:21 +0200
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-29 21:07 +0200
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-30 10:36 +1000
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 20:31 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-30 22:21 +0200
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 23:41 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 19:31 -0400
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-31 21:52 +0100
                Re: Fireman Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-07-31 03:54 -0300
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-03 19:58 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-03 21:40 +0200
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-03 20:51 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-03 23:10 +0200
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-31 09:57 +0200
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 09:17 +0200
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-30 19:45 +0200
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-30 10:22 +1000
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-30 19:40 +0200
                Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-31 05:52 +0200
                Re: Fireman Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-07-31 04:01 -0300
                Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-01 11:24 +0200
                Re: Fireman Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-08-03 19:29 +0530
                Re: Fireman Brian Boutel <bboutel@me.com> - 2026-07-31 19:09 +1200
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 09:20 +0200
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-31 09:57 +0200
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-31 14:37 +0000
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 22:38 +0200
                Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 14:13 -0700
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-30 19:28 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 14:08 -0400
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-28 16:55 +0100
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-29 16:17 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-29 18:27 +0100
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-29 23:50 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-05 13:21 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 10:20 -0400
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-05 16:37 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 10:59 -0400
                Re: Fireman Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2026-08-05 11:08 -0400
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 17:36 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-05 16:46 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 18:03 +0200
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-06 10:35 +1000
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 06:26 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-06 08:03 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 08:07 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-06 09:28 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 09:12 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-06 22:28 +1000
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-06 08:01 +0200
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-06 10:51 +0200
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-06 09:21 +0000
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-06 15:00 +0000
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-06 11:33 -0400
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-07 21:13 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-07 16:22 -0400
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-07 22:52 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-08 07:08 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-08 11:57 +0200
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-08 20:25 +0100
                Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-08 22:12 +0100
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-09 21:06 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 13:17 -0400
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 19:26 +0200
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-05 21:38 +0200
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 23:54 +0200
                Re: Fireman Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-08-07 02:11 -0300
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-08-07 16:56 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-07 16:42 +0000
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-08 09:29 +1000
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-08 00:40 -0400
                Re: Fireman Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-08-09 12:47 +0100
                Re: Fireman Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-08-06 17:30 +0000
                Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-05 17:04 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 18:55 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 06:50 +0100
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-08-05 17:49 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 06:26 +0100
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-06 10:20 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-07 06:29 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-07 10:47 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-08 07:08 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-08 11:57 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-08 11:29 +0100
                Re: Fireman Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-08-08 11:01 +0100
                Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-08 22:24 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-09 11:43 +1000
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-08-09 09:49 +0000
                Re: Fireman Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-08-09 17:44 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-09 21:14 +0200
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-06 10:51 +0200
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-05 22:22 +0200
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 11:03 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-09 21:14 +0200
                Re: Fireman "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> - 2026-07-31 22:39 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-25 11:16 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-25 21:19 +1000
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-25 13:55 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-25 19:45 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-21 15:13 +0000
                Sex, gender, biology and related or unrelated terms Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-21 08:28 +0200
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 12:06 +0200
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-19 13:14 +0000
                Re: Fireman "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> - 2026-07-19 17:40 +0000
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-20 09:42 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 09:25 -0400
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 06:42 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 08:54 -0400
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 14:38 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 11:28 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 09:19 -0400
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-21 15:01 +0000
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 11:30 -0400
                Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 10:03 -0700
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 22:03 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 19:59 -0400
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-22 23:12 +0200
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-20 10:39 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-20 12:12 +0100
                Re: Fireman ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-20 13:08 +0000
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-20 22:11 +0100
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-18 22:40 +0100
                Re: Fireman Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> - 2026-07-22 00:03 -0700
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 09:01 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-22 09:51 +0000
                Re: Fireman The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-07-22 06:22 -0400
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 13:08 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 12:15 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 21:31 +0100
                Re: Fireman The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-07-22 06:11 -0400
                Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-17 17:17 +0200
                Re: Fireman ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-17 11:25 +0000
              Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-17 15:46 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-17 11:44 -0400
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-17 21:29 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-17 18:35 -0400
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 12:06 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-20 06:25 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-20 17:45 +1000
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 06:42 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 13:56 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-22 06:47 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-22 23:12 +0200
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-23 00:03 +0000
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 10:56 +0200
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-23 09:23 +0000
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 14:56 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-23 16:37 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-23 16:20 +0000
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 20:41 +1000
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 11:49 +1000
                School stories Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-23 06:46 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-23 05:58 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 10:56 +0200
                Re: Fireman JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> - 2026-08-04 09:45 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-04 11:20 +0100
            Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-17 20:08 +0100
              Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-17 21:36 +0200
              Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-17 22:51 +0200

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