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Re: Basic Physics For Climate Dummies by Tony Heller

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On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 3:27:58 PM UTC-7, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 9:59:24 AM UTC-7, James McGinn wrote:
> > Basic Physics For Climate Dummies by Tony Heller https://realclimatescience.com/2018/06/basic-physics-for-climate-dummies/#comment-108323h
> > 
> > My Response:
> > Vortices and jet streams (jet streams being collectives of vortices) have the most dramatic effect on the pressure in earth’s atmosphere, these being the “pressure relief mechanism” of earth’s atmosphere. Vortice activity is also what underlies storms and uplift.
> > 
> > Unfortunately the atmospheric sciences are saddled with a 19th century model that depends upon non-physical notions like moist air convections, dry layer capping, and “latent” heat of H2O. These pseudoscientific notions prevent progress in the scientific paradigms that maintain this silliness.
> > Without understanding the role of vortices and jet streams you can’t understand pressure and changes thereof.
> > 
> > Accounting for Lorenz’s missing lubrication in the atmosphere
> > https://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=16430
> > 
> > “We have always known from whence comes the energy that powers the winds: differential air pressure due to the differential heating/cooling from the sun/night, exacerbated by friction from surface features (mountains, valleys, etc.). But what has been perplexing is how and why the flow that ensues from this energy becomes concentrated, producing the high wind speeds we see in jet streams and storms. Generally things in nature don’t reverse entropy (going from less organized [scattered] to more organizes [directed]) unless there is a physical reason for them to do so. A river channels into a stream due to the hills and valleys of a landscape. Where are the hills and valley of the atmosphere and what is the substance, apparently invisible, of which these hills and valleys are comprised and why is evidence of it so fleeting?”
> > 
> > James McGinn / Solving Tornadoes
> 
> Stephen Wilde, in response to you,  says:
> July 2, 2018 at 9:39 pm
> 
> James, I have read some of your stuff but regret to have to say that it was not helpful.
> The jets are the consequence of differences in air mass characteristics such that the points of contact are then forced into narrow bands by rotation of the Earth.
> There is nothing perplexing about it so you are chasing a chimaera.

This is a smackdown:

SW:
The jets are the consequence of differences in air mass characteristics such that the points of contact are then forced into narrow bands by rotation of the Earth.
JMcG:.
Stephen, your description here as meaningless (and as absurd) as the concept of spontaneous generation in biology. 
Additionally, your epistemological approach is too vague to be of much consequence to anything. IOW, all you got is vague rhetoric. 
Jet streams are a consequence of collectivization of vortices. Vortices are a result of water based plasma, the structural nature of which is plainly observable in a tornado. The basis of this plasma involves the surface tension of H2O which is maximized on moist/dry wind shear boundaries. This is where vortices originate and this observation is correlated with the tropopause being the most significant moist/dry boundary in the atmosphere.
Vortices are extremely common in the atmosphere and usually run laterally. They are mostly unseen because they tend to be associated with clouds, which obscure them, and are otherwise invisible in that the plasma that spins up (literally) on wind shear boundaries shares many characteristics with gaseous H2O (steam) including invisibility.
Convection is based on nothing but an analogy to a pot on a stove. The correct analogy of atmospheric flow is a siphon.
Storms don’t cause tornadoes/vortices; tornadoes/vortices cause storms. As a matter of fact, vortices deliver the LOW PRESSURE energy of storms–something your model completely fails to explain. (Stephen, can you explain how your convection model predicts the cold, gusty winds of storms? I think not.)
Let me put you on the spot Stephen. You have seen pictures/video of tornadoes, right? How do you explain the structure that is plainly apparent therein? Magic? 
I’ve noticed, Stephen, that you are very careful to maintain the vagueness of your theoretical thinking on this subject. That is a defensive strategy. Because you know that vagueness can never be disputed/refuted.
James McGinn / Solving Tornadoes

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Basic Physics For Climate Dummies by Tony Heller James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 09:59 -0700
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      Re: Basic Physics For Climate Dummies by Tony Heller James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 19:15 -0700
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      Re: Basic Physics For Climate Dummies by Tony Heller pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-07-02 22:40 -0700
        Re: Basic Physics For Climate Dummies by Tony Heller James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 02:12 -0700
          Re: Basic Physics For Climate Dummies by Tony HellerWothless troll" pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-07-03 07:35 -0700
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              Re: Basic Physics For Climate Dummies by Tony HellerWothless troll" pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-07-03 11:05 -0700
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