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Re: The only problem we Forthers have is that each time someone tells us he has found something new, we answer: "Oh, I know three guys, none of them has a CS degree, and each one invented this independently 10 years ago, but they had a much better ap

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On Monday, March 13, 2017 at 5:05:48 PM UTC-7, hughag...@gmail.com wrote:
> Stephen Pelc is the worst qualified person in the world to be on the Forth-200x committee because he is financially motivated to sabotage the standard. He wants to prevent people from writing ANS-Forth programs that are competitive with MPE products --- this is why he wants the standard to be crippled --- he is financially motivated to work against the Forth community, which he considers to be competition, rather than to work for the Forth community.

The reason why Elizabeth Rather endlessly promotes the purpose of ANS-Forth being "portable programmers" is that she wants ANS-Forth to be a crippled toy language, and the public-domain ANS-Forth systems (especially Gforth) to be unsuitable for writing commercial software in competition with Forth Inc. and MPE. The idea is that students will learn Forth under Gforth and will learn the basic concepts such as how the data-stack works, etc. (she doesn't want to hire programmers and then have to teach them how the data-stack works in her novice class, because that is a waste of time). They won't be able to write non-trivial programs however, because FIND is broken, and various other reasons. They will then be "portable" in the sense that they can get a job at Forth Inc. or MPE where they will be able to begin writing non-trivial programs --- but their programs will no longer be ANS-Forth and will no longer be portable to other ANS-Forth systems, including Gforth which they learned on.

ANS-Forth is all about limiting what Forth programmers can do. They can learn how DUP works, but they can't learn how FIND works. They can write toy programs, but they can't compete against Forth Inc. and MPE. In the ANS-Forth world, which Elizabeth Rather created, there is no place for somebody such as myself who knows how to program in Forth and takes pride in doing so --- this is what she hates and fears the most! --- this is why, in her world, I have to be utterly incompetent (not know how pointers work, etc.) as her sycophants endlessly proclaim.

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The only problem we Forthers have is that each time someone tells us he has found something new, we answer: "Oh, I know three guys, none of them has a CS degree, and each one invented this independently 10 years ago, but they had a much better ap polymorph self <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 09:24 -0800
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      Re: The only problem we Forthers have is that each time someone tells us he has found something new, we answer: "Oh, I know three guys, none of them has a CS degree, and each one invented this independently 10 years ago, but they had a much better ap JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-03-12 03:26 -0700
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            Re: The only problem we Forthers have is that each time someone tells us he has found something new, we answer: "Oh, I know three guys, none of them has a CS degree, and each one invented this independently 10 years ago, but they had a much better ap JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-03-13 00:42 -0700
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                Re: The only problem we Forthers have is that each time someone tells us he has found something new, we answer: "Oh, I know three guys, none of them has a CS degree, and each one invented this independently 10 years ago, but they had a much better ap JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-03-14 08:40 -0700
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            Re: The only problem we Forthers have is that each time someone tells us he has found something new, we answer: "Oh, I know three guys, none of them has a CS degree, and each one invented this independently 10 years ago, but they had a much better ap gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 00:51 -0700
          Re: The only problem we Forthers have is that each time someone tells us he has found something new, we answer: "Oh, I know three guys, none of them has a CS degree, and each one invented this independently 10 years ago, but they had a much better ap hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-03-13 17:05 -0700
            Re: The only problem we Forthers have is that each time someone tells us he has found something new, we answer: "Oh, I know three guys, none of them has a CS degree, and each one invented this independently 10 years ago, but they had a much better ap hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-03-13 18:04 -0700
              Re: The only problem we Forthers have is that each time someone tells us he has found something new, we answer: "Oh, I know three guys, none of them has a CS degree, and each one invented this independently 10 years ago, but they had a much better ap gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 00:54 -0700
            Re: The only problem we Forthers have is that each time someone tells us he has found something new, we answer: "Oh, I know three guys, none of them has a CS degree, and each one invented this independently 10 years ago, but they had a much better ap gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 00:53 -0700
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    Re: The only problem we Forthers have is ... polymorph self <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-03-11 17:50 -0800
      Re: The only problem we Forthers have is ... "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-03-15 17:39 +1100
        Re: The only problem we Forthers have is ... gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 15:04 -0700
          Re: The only problem we Forthers have is ... "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-03-17 12:03 +1100
            Re: The only problem we Forthers have is ... gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 12:02 -0700

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