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Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping

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<870820284406691443.013702recliner2-news-yahoo.co.uk@news.btinternet.com>
, Recliner <recliner2-news@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> > On 11-20-2013, 15:08, Your Name wrote:
> >> In article <CEB26571.A4503%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
> >> <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Reminds me of the VTR Wars. The one that became dominant was inferior
> >>> there as well...
> >> 
> >> It's usually the case that the cheapest or the most popular wins (or
> >> simply the most entrenched), which isn't necessarily the same as being
> >> the best.
> > 
> > "entrenched" -- Yep, when Macintosh was announced, there were plenty of
> > DOS boxes already in use.  And the first Mac, in my opinion, wasn't very
> > impressive.  When I heard the announcement, I went to a store to check it
> > out.  I crashed it five times in ten minutes.  I wasn't trying to,
> > either.  And I was far from "l33t."  My day job was teaching maintainance
> > of digital and analog sonar system with an embedded file-cabinet sized
> > computer from the mid-1960s, programmed by toggling bits on a control
> > panel.  My "home computer" was a Z80 Heathkit with a CP/M-like O.S.
> > 
> > I note though, that ONE-year after Macintosh was announced, "after TWO
> > years of delays, Microsoft was finally ready to debut the much-promised
> > Microsoft Windows."
> > 
> > In other words, though MS is often (justly) accused of copying Apple,
> > either they actually did something original, or there was a heck of a leak.
> 
> Reading the linked article, it looks like both were "inspired" by Xerox
> Parc, research, and recruited Parc staff. So MS didn't copy Apple, but
> neither was really original either. Apple did get the Lisa out first,
> however, but it was an expensive flop (and, yes, I did evaluate a Lisa, but
> it didn't have any usable apps). 
> 
> But what most of the these articles fail to mention is that what made the
> early Macs succeed was DTP, with low cost desktop laser printers and
> Postscript. I was a big fan of WriteNow in the mid 1980s as it was a huge
> improvement on the text word processors of the day.

The Apple Lisa was released on 19 January, 1983.

Windows 1.0, the first version, was released in 1985.

It's well publicised that Bill Gates used to visit Apple's HQ,
apparently able to look at almost everything they were doing and
talking to anyone he liked ... until Steve Jobs put a stop to it.

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29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-11-20 13:11 -0600
  Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-21 09:08 +1300
    Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-20 20:37 -0500
      Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Recliner <recliner2-news@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-20 19:57 -0600
        Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-21 19:08 +1300
          Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2013-11-21 07:24 +0000
            Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping John Holt <me@foo.net> - 2013-11-21 15:21 -0500
              Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-21 20:34 -0500
                Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-22 02:21 +0000
                Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-21 23:24 -0500
                Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-21 23:38 -0500
                Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-22 15:29 +0000
                Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2013-11-22 14:55 -0500
                Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-23 00:56 -0500
                Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-24 05:43 +0100
                Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-22 18:36 +1300
                Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-22 01:06 -0500
                Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-11-22 18:20 +0000
                Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-22 11:34 -0700
                Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-11-22 19:22 +0000
                Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-22 16:12 -0700
                Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-11-23 03:34 +0000
                Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-22 21:36 -0700
                Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-23 12:02 -0800
                Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-23 15:58 -0700
                Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-11-23 22:34 +0000
                Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-11-23 20:55 +0000
          Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Recliner <recliner2-news@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-21 01:51 -0600
            Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-22 09:28 +1300
      Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-21 01:42 -0500
        Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-21 11:49 -0500
          Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-21 11:56 -0500
      Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-21 09:07 -0700
        Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-21 11:53 -0500
          Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-21 11:56 -0500
            Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-21 12:30 -0500
              Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-21 13:00 -0500
          Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-22 09:33 +1300
            Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-21 15:54 -0500
              Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Recliner <recliner2-news@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-21 18:47 -0600
                Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-11-22 11:07 +0000
    Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> - 2013-11-21 12:04 -0600
      Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-22 09:31 +1300
  Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2013-11-20 18:27 -0800
  Re: 29 Years Ago: The Flop that keeps on Flopping "Mr. Strat" <mrstrat@nospam.gmail.com> - 2013-11-21 06:42 -0800

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