Re: Can't Eject a Volume

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: Can't Eject a Volume
Date	2014-02-21 14:49 -0500
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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In article <bmpmthF3of8U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> To expand on this, force quitting an application can cause any file that
> >> the application currently has open to become corrupt, since it does not
> >> give the application a chance to finish updating the file in question
> >> and close it before quitting. Applications may have their own preference
> >> files open, or other files on your startup volume. If an application's
> >> preference file becomes malformed or corrupt, it can cause the
> >> application in question to behave in unpredictable ways on subsequent
> >> launches.
> >
> > that's possible, but very unlikely because files are written atomically.
> 
> mr.know-it-all won't be able to provide evidence that all (or even most)
> files are written atomically by all applications. The fact is that
> application developers may choose keep files open for relatively long
> periods of time, and whether an application has a file open, or has
> completed writing to that file, at any point in time cannot be predicted
> ahead of time.

developers could do a lot of things. that doesn't mean they do.

the vast majority of developers are not stupid and write files
atomically because they know that's the safest way to do it. 

not only that, but just because a file is open when an app is
force-quit does mean it will be corrupted. a force-quit is typically
done *after* an app has crashed, so the damage, if any, has already
happened. 

if this was a huge problem, we'd be hearing about data loss when people
force-quit apps, and we don't, therefore it's not a serious issue.

real world experience is what matters.

> Now I predict mr.know-it-all will try to move the goal posts, which is
> typical of his silly tit-for-tat arguments...

i'm not the one who is moving the goalposts. 

> >> > Force quitting an app like the Finder where you are never sure of the
> >> > state it is in is absolutely to be avoided.
> >> 
> >> I'm not sure I would consider Finder to be that fragile - certainly not
> >> as fragile as other applications or system processes.
> >
> > nonsense. finder is one of the buggiest parts of os x and apple has
> > shown no interest in fixing it.
> 
> Now he's trying to move the goal posts yet again. He ignores that we are
> talking specifically about files open by the Finder. Now he's trying to
> change the topic to general Finder bugs. Lame. That's not what we are
> discussing here. Nice try, but no cigar, mr.know-it-all.

actually it is what is being discussed. 

or have you already forgotten that *you* said finder was not fragile? 

typical for you, when facts are shoved in your face, you get all bent
out of shape.

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Can't Eject a Volume nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid (Nick Naym) - 2014-02-18 14:32 -0500
  Re: Can't Eject a Volume nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-18 14:48 -0500
  Re: Can't Eject a Volume billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-18 19:52 +0000
    Re: Can't Eject a Volume Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-02-22 12:05 -0800
      Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-22 21:25 +0000
        Re: Can't Eject a Volume Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-02-22 21:03 -0800
  Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-18 20:13 +0000
  Re: Can't Eject a Volume Alan Ralph <alan.ralph@gmail.com> - 2014-02-18 20:18 +0000
    Re: Can't Eject a Volume Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-20 15:13 +0000
      Re: Can't Eject a Volume Alan Ralph <alan.ralph@gmail.com> - 2014-02-20 21:07 +0000
        Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-20 21:52 +0000
          Re: Can't Eject a Volume nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-21 06:27 -0500
            Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-21 16:53 +0000
              Re: Can't Eject a Volume nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-21 13:07 -0500
                Re: Can't Eject a Volume Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 12:38 -0500
                Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-22 21:24 +0000
              Re: Can't Eject a Volume Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-21 22:51 +0000
        Re: Can't Eject a Volume Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-21 01:35 +0000
          Re: Can't Eject a Volume nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-21 06:27 -0500
          Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-21 17:02 +0000
            Re: Can't Eject a Volume Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-21 17:10 +0000
              Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-21 17:21 +0000
              Re: Can't Eject a Volume nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-21 13:07 -0500
            Re: Can't Eject a Volume nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-21 13:07 -0500
              Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-21 19:14 +0000
                Re: Can't Eject a Volume nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-21 14:49 -0500
                Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-21 22:13 +0000
                Re: Can't Eject a Volume nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-22 00:29 -0500
                Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-22 16:59 +0000
                Re: Can't Eject a Volume Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-02-25 16:49 +1100
              Re: Can't Eject a Volume Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-21 18:28 -0500
                Re: Can't Eject a Volume nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-22 00:29 -0500
                Re: Can't Eject a Volume Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 10:02 -0500
                Re: Can't Eject a Volume Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 10:22 -0500
                Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-22 17:01 +0000
                Re: Can't Eject a Volume Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 12:13 -0500
                Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-22 17:16 +0000
                Re: Can't Eject a Volume Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 12:34 -0500
                Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-22 21:23 +0000
                Re: Can't Eject a Volume Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-22 21:46 +0000
                Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-22 21:53 +0000
                Re: Can't Eject a Volume Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-22 17:00 +0000
  Re: Can't Eject a Volume M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2014-02-18 20:37 -0500
    Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-19 02:13 +0000
      Re: Can't Eject a Volume nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-18 21:42 -0500
        Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-19 04:21 +0000
          Re: Can't Eject a Volume nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-18 23:35 -0500
  Re: Can't Eject a Volume Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-20 15:13 +0000

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