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Re: Battery Powered Project

From David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk>
Newsgroups comp.sys.raspberry-pi
Subject Re: Battery Powered Project
Date 2021-01-17 15:57 +0000
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          The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 16/01/2021 20:09, David Higton wrote:
> > Using an inductor in a conventional step-down switching regulator is much
> > more efficient, and of course requires the inductor to store energy.
> > 
> 
> No, it doesn't have to store ALL the energy - like it does in a step up
> 
> And if you don't mind massive ripple, it isn't needed *at all*. Consider a
> 6V battery deeding a 3V lamp. Simply chop the 6V on a 50%  duty cycle and
> there you are. No choke needed at all.

Yes, but that situation is entirely unlike what the OP was talking about,
and is indeed inapplicable.

> Add an LC filter and the cap stores all that is necessary. All the L  does
> is limit the peak current into the C.

If it's going to limit the current, it must not saturate, in which case
it'd store the energy that you claim is unnecessary.  You'd also have
to remove the energy from the inductor every time the switch switched
off, otherwise the switch would break down.  Basically you'd have created
a conventional step-down converter.

Or, if the inductor saturated but still limited the current, it would
have to be a high enough resistance to be quite lossy.

David

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Battery Powered Project Simple Simon <please.dontspa@me.com> - 2021-01-12 12:14 +0000
  Re: Battery Powered Project Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-12 12:40 +0000
    Re: Battery Powered Project Simple Simon <please.dontspa@me.com> - 2021-01-12 12:50 +0000
      Re: Battery Powered Project "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2021-01-12 15:15 +0100
      Re: Battery Powered Project Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2021-01-12 21:43 +0000
        Re: Battery Powered Project Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-13 09:40 +0000
        Re: Battery Powered Project Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 18:02 +0000
        Re: Battery Powered Project Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-01-13 22:04 +0000
          Re: Battery Powered Project Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2021-01-13 23:37 +0000
            Re: Battery Powered Project Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-14 00:43 +0000
            Re: Battery Powered Project The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-14 03:59 +0000
            Re: Battery Powered Project Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-14 10:18 +0000
              Re: Battery Powered Project The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-14 11:04 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-14 11:46 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-14 12:21 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-14 12:38 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2021-01-14 14:17 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-14 14:28 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2021-01-16 20:09 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-17 07:19 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2021-01-17 15:57 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-18 07:05 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2021-01-18 14:14 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project John Aldridge <jpsa@cantab.net> - 2021-01-17 17:52 +0000
              Re: Battery Powered Project Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-14 12:56 +0000
              Re: Battery Powered Project Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2021-01-14 13:46 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-14 14:26 +0000
          Re: Battery Powered Project The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-14 03:46 +0000
            Re: Battery Powered Project Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2021-01-14 09:23 +0000
              Re: Battery Powered Project The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-14 11:04 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2021-01-14 17:48 +0000
            Re: Battery Powered Project Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-18 17:07 +0000
              Re: Battery Powered Project Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-01-18 20:33 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-21 20:36 +0000
  Battery Powered Project nospam.Vincent.Coen@f1.n250.z2.binkp.net (Vincent Coen) - 2021-01-12 14:35 +1300
  Re: Battery Powered Project Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-01-12 16:40 +0000
    Re: Battery Powered Project The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 13:56 +0000
      Re: Battery Powered Project Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-13 15:12 +0000
        Re: Battery Powered Project Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-01-16 12:24 +0000
          Re: Battery Powered Project Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-16 17:53 +0000
            Re: Battery Powered Project Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-01-16 20:39 +0000
              Re: Battery Powered Project Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-16 22:33 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-01-16 23:30 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-16 23:52 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-01-17 10:39 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-17 14:32 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-01-18 13:20 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-18 13:41 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-01-18 14:02 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-18 15:15 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-01-19 13:46 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-19 15:24 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-01-19 15:34 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-19 16:21 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-01-19 17:18 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-19 19:31 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-01-20 10:12 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-19 22:15 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-01-20 10:03 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-20 10:49 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Chris Elvidge <chris@mshome.net> - 2021-01-20 11:29 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project A. Dumas <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2021-01-20 12:18 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-20 13:02 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-01-20 15:49 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-20 16:54 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-20 17:19 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-01-21 10:24 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project A. Dumas <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2021-01-20 12:18 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-20 13:18 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Chris Elvidge <chris@mshome.net> - 2021-01-20 14:14 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-20 14:51 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project A. Dumas <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2021-01-20 14:45 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project A. Dumas <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2021-01-20 14:44 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-20 15:07 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2021-01-20 16:38 +0100
                Re: Battery Powered Project Chris Elvidge <chris@mshome.net> - 2021-01-20 15:45 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2021-01-21 10:07 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2021-01-21 12:30 +0100
                Re: Battery Powered Project druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2021-01-21 13:09 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-01-22 10:08 +0200
                Re: Battery Powered Project Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-22 10:29 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-22 10:25 +0000
                Re: Battery Powered Project Kees Nuyt <k.nuyt@nospam.demon.nl> - 2021-01-19 17:03 +0100
                Re: Battery Powered Project A. Dumas <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2021-01-17 01:09 +0000
            Re: Battery Powered Project Chris Elvidge <chris@mshome.net> - 2021-01-17 11:48 +0000
              Re: Battery Powered Project Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-01-17 12:11 +0000
              Re: Battery Powered Project Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-17 14:43 +0000
            Re: Battery Powered Project Chris Elvidge <chris@mshome.net> - 2021-01-17 11:52 +0000
              Re: Battery Powered Project Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-01-17 13:53 +0000

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