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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc |
| Subject | Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI |
| Date | 2026-10-21 11:49 -0700 |
| Organization | A place where nothing fits quite right |
| Message-ID | <20261021114918.000056b6@gmail.com> (permalink) |
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 10:07:27 +0100 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > > Have two, get two, have four - that's addition, and it was so > > before the very first hominid who stopped to *think* about the > > number of tasty bits of fruit and game in his private cache. Nature > > has been adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing things from > > the first instant of the universe, and it'd be doing that even if > > we'd never gotten around to putting names to those. > > Nature hasn't Human minds have Force of impact is equal to mass * velocity^2. Gravitational attract- ion falls off with the square of distance; magnetic force falls off with its cube. Math is happening across the universe and all around you, whether you recognize it or not. > > And for those which are - which notes, and why? Certainly the folks > > chipping flutes out of bone in the caves of the Ice Age got it by > > trial and error, but there *is* a system to it, as we'd worked out > > by the days of ancient Mesopotamia (we have Sumerian texts on music > > theory going back to 2+ millennia BC.) > > Whichjh I am sure every single black slave learnt before creating > jazz, rhythm and blues out of exposure to the white man's instruments Again you do not seem to grasp that "did not receive a formal education in a Western musical college" does *not* mean "never learned anything from anyone and created the whole thing ex nihilo." And African-American music forms didn't just spring out of a vacuum, either; blues picked up notable influences from music of the Islamic world due to the Sahel heritage of many slaves taken to the Americas, and early jazz blended an approach to harmony influenced by European hymnody with traditional African and American folk music. They are hybrid forms developed by people who were exposed to a wide variety of musical traditions and deliberately incorporated the elements they liked into something unique, not just something that happens when you toss a fungible mass of black people into a roomful of instruments. > > And those fixed notes tend to have fixed relationships between them > > (e.g. harmonics). > > No, they dont. > > On multi-fixed pitch like say pan pipes or an ocarina, they are made > to have that relationship because its sounds 'better', in a way that > no one can really explain, to random spacings > > Possibly the theory of intermodulation distortion can say why, but no > music theory can. "No one can really explain" is a funny way of saying "I, personally, do not know." In reality - as has already been discussed - the basic relationship of harmony to simple frequency ratios has been understood for millennia; this gave rise to tuning systems derived from integer multiples (what is commonly called Pythagorean tuning, although it actually predates Pythagoras and was probably independently invented in multiple places, as in e.g. the Chinese instrument we were discussing elsethread.) This is an attractively simple way to do things, because the basics are both easy to calculate and easy to tune by ear - 2:1 is an octave, 3:2 is a fifth, and you can stack fifths and drop back down an octave to successively derive each note on the scale... ...almost. Unfortunately, basic math says no power of 1.5 is ever going to be a power of 2, and by the time you get from C up to B, you're at an octave-adjusted multiple of 0.94921875 - over 5% left to go before you reach the octave! This is known as the "wolf interval," and various traditions have different ways of dealing with it: Chinese traditional, I gather, shuffles it around in different modes, while AFAICT Indian 24- tone music is actually a whole family of scales in which sets of notes are pitched differently to avoid it. Equal temperament in Western music divides it up by spacing each note slightly wider than the ideal, so that the difference isn't terribly noticeable and the steps all add up. So there you have it: a straightforward reason for the conspicuously non-random intervals between notes. > Who the fuck cares? Plenty of heavy metal/classical guitarists > shredding Bach out of existence And yet another *immensely* funny take. Would this be a good time to point out that, f'rexample, Ritchie Blackmore's solo in "Highway Star" was inspired by ol' J.S. himself? > I wonder what nightingales know of music theory When circumstances align to let me become one, I'll be sure and write it up for you. Until then, I'm content to learn what I can and quietly envy the creatures that can do it by instinct.
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