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Re: Turing computable functions

From Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com>
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Subject Re: Turing computable functions
Date 2025-09-23 21:22 +0000
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On 2025-09-23, dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
> On 9/23/25 12:37 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>> On 2025-09-23, dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 9/23/25 12:10 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>> On 2025-09-22, dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 9/21/25 10:31 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-09-22, dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/21/25 6:59 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>>>>>> The paradox is not the form, but the inability to pin a truth
>>>>>>>> value on the sentence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> just like the inability to pin the truth on the semantics
>>>>>>> of paradoxical programs ...... hello??? anyone there???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What are the specifics? Which truths are you having trouble
>>>>>> pinning down: what propositions revolving around what paradoxical
>>>>>> programs?
>>>>>
>>>>> you are fucking being intentionally obtuse? i'm trying to pin down the
>>>>> semantics of hypothetical machine und(), and i can't do it.
>>>>
>>>> Your struggle may be real (do give the details), but such a situation
>>>> doesn't occur in the diagnonalization schema used in halting proofs.
>>>> Maybe if you accidentally introduced such a thing, it can be removed.
>>>
>>> this is just wrong.
>>>
>>> even diagonalization will involve at some point a self-reference that
>>> invokes an unstable decision value, and this instability is what creates
>>> the undecidability. if you can specifically define the symbols you were
>>> talking about in how u understand the diagonal, then i can point it out.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> how many fucking times do i need to repeat myself?
>>>>
>>>> Olcott number of times, doubled.
>>>>
>>>>>>> *all halting undecidability proofs involve a decision paradox*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure; it's just not a logical paradox.
>>>>>
>>>>> jesus fucking christ??? ofc it's a /logical/ paradox
>>>>>
>>>>> und = () -> halts(und) ? loop_forever : halt
>>>>>
>>>>> is an expression of logic, and we cannot logically assign it to either
>>>>> the set of halting machines, or the ones that don't, due to the logic
>>>>> being expressed.
>>>>
>>>> OK. So this und is the thing whose semantics you can't pin down.
>>>>
>>>> Well, of course you cannot: it depends on a function called halts,
>>>> and you have not defined it!
>>>
>>> halts(m) -> true iff m halts, false otherwise
>> 
>> Ah, okay, so by halts you are indicating /the/ abstract halting function?
>
> it's a hypothetical machine that directly computes /the/ abstract 
> halting function, via the same logical interface ...

But since that doesn't exist, of course your und is ill-defined.

So yes, in thqt regard, your conception has something in common
with the Liar-Paradox; it's something that looks syntactically okay,
but is actually semantic nonsense.

That's just your conception of it, which is not necessary to
the diagonal halting proofs; you're using the diagonal template
for a line of reasoning that is not needed for showing the
incomputability of halting.

In these proofs, we just have to imagine that halts is a /proposed/
halting decider calculation, which /could be wrong/ and needs to be
verified. The diagonal case shows that any proposed decider can be
verified to be incorrect on at least one domain value, regardless
of how much effort went into trying to make it a decider, and
how complex it is as a result.

So we never need to construct an "und' such as yours, which contains
an imaginary calculation that we can easily see doesn't exist if
we follow the proof concept in the above way.

You say that halts is a hypothetical computation which calculates
the halting function, but since such a computation doesn't exist,
there are only two ways out: regard your und as some kind of math
funtion (in which case we don't speak of whether it terminates or not;
and we havre to deal with what loop_infinitely and halt mean in
the context of a math function) or else we regard und as bunk:
something that calls a computation that doesn't exist.

> the diagonal variation /must/ involve a hypothetical halts() somewhere, 
> because in order to "disprove" the existence of the decider one must 
> first assume it exists as a premise... or one can't use the proof to 
> declare the premise that it exists as false.

But there is a bit of a problem with using /reductio ad absurdum/
in this exact manner.

You are saying that we assume we can have halts as a calculation; that
it exists.  We show that this is absurd, leading to the conclusion that
it doesn't exist.

The problem is that when we show that halts doesn't exist, we 
are blowing off the leg that holds up und! We have defined und
in terms of halts and used that as the touchstone of our argument.
But since halts doesn't exist, und doesn't exist.  In effect, und has
argued for /its own/ nonexistence, which is absurd; and I do have to
hand it to you that this does have Liar Paradox vibes.

(And so, we turn into Peter Olcott: "there has never been an
actual diagonal test case ... blah blah blah". If und doesn't
exist, then how how can the argument which it holds up be valid?)

If we instead follow the pragmatic interpretation, that halts(und)
is a placeholder for a /proposed/ calculation of halting that could
be wrong, we can easily see that it has to be wrong no matter how
it is defined.

Under this interpretation, we do not blow off und's leg, because
every proposed version of /halts/ exists; it just does not exist /as a
total halting decider/.

That's what I meant when I said that your dilemma regarding und
is likely removable!

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                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-23 18:46 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-09-23 17:21 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 14:17 -0400
                Re: Turing computable functions joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-09-23 10:03 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 10:07 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-23 16:36 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 14:18 -0400
                Re: Turing computable functions dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 15:12 -0400
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 14:23 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 19:45 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-09-21 09:36 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 11:33 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-21 06:33 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 07:54 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 21:34 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 21:10 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 23:20 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 16:40 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-22 04:57 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 16:16 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 14:19 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 16:44 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 14:53 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 17:04 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 16:46 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 08:04 +0800
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 18:50 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 21:12 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 23:29 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 21:34 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 23:42 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 21:53 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 09:16 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 10:24 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 12:43 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:07 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 13:22 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 14:30 -0400
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-23 21:51 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:34 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 13:49 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 12:07 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 14:24 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 12:29 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 14:45 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 12:52 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 15:03 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:10 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 15:15 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:40 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 19:31 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 19:33 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 19:57 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 20:49 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 21:06 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 21:09 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:03 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:05 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:18 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:06 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 20:19 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 20:51 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:04 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:14 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:15 -0700
                church-turing thesis debunked dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:21 -0700
                Re: church-turing thesis debunked "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:22 -0700
                Re: church-turing thesis debunked dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:40 -0700
                Re: church-turing thesis debunked "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:51 -0700
                Re: church-turing thesis debunked dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 23:23 -0700
                Re: church-turing thesis debunked "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 12:42 -0700
                Re: church-turing thesis debunked --- LLM system review olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:30 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 21:02 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 23:08 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 21:25 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 23:49 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:04 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 00:09 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:18 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:20 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:10 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-09-24 09:24 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:16 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:04 -0400
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 14:44 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:07 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:12 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 06:42 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:45 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 17:10 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 13:33 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 20:00 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:14 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 20:41 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 20:39 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:49 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 20:33 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:38 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 20:57 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 16:09 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 15:19 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-09-23 21:28 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-23 21:51 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 18:17 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 06:43 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:51 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-09-24 13:57 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 09:41 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 15:49 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 09:54 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 16:11 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 10:24 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 16:27 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 10:34 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 11:36 -0400
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 16:43 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 10:51 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 17:06 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 11:18 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 17:55 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 17:37 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:01 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 20:14 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:25 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 20:47 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:57 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 21:05 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:12 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 21:17 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:27 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 21:54 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 20:08 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:30 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 13:47 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 13:51 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 20:07 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:09 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 21:00 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 16:05 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 22:15 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 16:20 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 22:48 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 16:57 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:15 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:21 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 23:38 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 17:43 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 23:54 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 19:12 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 00:44 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 19:50 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 04:11 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 03:55 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 22:14 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 04:40 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 22:42 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-09-27 08:59 -0400
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 00:32 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 19:38 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 15:30 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 09:46 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 15:58 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-09-23 10:08 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 10:10 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-23 19:18 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 14:36 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-23 19:17 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 14:32 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-09-23 20:32 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 17:01 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-09-23 22:28 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 06:08 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:21 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 09:33 -0400
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 15:23 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-09-24 09:24 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:03 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 15:16 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 09:43 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 15:53 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 16:59 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 12:28 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 17:40 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:05 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 20:20 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:28 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 20:51 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:58 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 21:13 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:24 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 21:45 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 20:49 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 16:00 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:04 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 22:04 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 21:33 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 16:36 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 00:35 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 19:42 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 00:54 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 20:14 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2025-09-24 19:45 -0600
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 20:58 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2025-09-24 20:11 -0600
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 21:14 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 10:29 +0800
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2025-09-24 20:33 -0600
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 21:44 -0500
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 18:23 +0100
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 19:46 +0100
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 15:05 -0500
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 15:52 -0500
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 16:12 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 22:19 +0000
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2025-09-25 18:04 -0600
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 23:16 +0100
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-26 04:36 +0100
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 21:46 -0500
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 14:08 +0100
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 03:22 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-09-25 05:13 +0100
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-09-25 15:51 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 16:33 +0100
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 10:14 -0500
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-09-25 15:55 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 04:19 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 22:22 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 04:52 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 23:15 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 06:04 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 07:35 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 14:14 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 08:42 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 16:05 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 14:44 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 09:46 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 15:24 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 11:51 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 19:05 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 16:28 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 04:09 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-09-25 05:06 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 23:13 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 20:31 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:36 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 16:40 -0400
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 21:58 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 20:28 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:34 -0500
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                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 16:16 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:26 -0700
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