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Re: Proposal for the New Top-Level Hierarchy ai.* - Artificial Intelligence

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On 01.04.2025 17:26 Uhr Bingo3331 wrote:

> 1. **comp.ai.* is Stagnant**: While `comp.ai.*` exists for
> English-language AI topics, most of its groups—like
> `comp.ai.neural-nets` or `comp.ai.philosophy`—are virtually inactive.
> From what we’ve seen, they haven’t kept up with modern AI
> developments (e.g., ChatGPT, generative models). We’re not convinced
> that adding English posts there would revive them; it might just get
> lost in the noise. `ai.*` offers a fresh, focused space to capture
> today’s AI enthusiasm, starting with `ai.ita.*` and potentially
> expanding (e.g., `ai.eng.*`).

comp.ai exist for general topics. There isn't much traffic, so nothing
is being lost in the noise.

> 2. **it.* Limits Scalability**: Creating an Italian AI group like
> `it.ai` or `it.comp.ai` is a solid idea, and `it.*` is indeed active
> thanks to the Italian community. But nesting AI under `it.*` ties it
> to a national hierarchy, which works great for local topics but less
> so for a global field like AI. `ai.*` lets us start with `ai.ita.*`
> for Italians while leaving room for other languages (e.g., `ai.fr.*`,
> `ai.de.*`) without needing separate proposals for each. It’s a more
> unified, future-proof approach.

I do not see any reason non-Italians who speak Italian should not use a
group in it.*.

In de.*, we have people from Austria and Switzerland too.

You could list the groups in an FAQ in the general English groups.

> That said, we’re not ruling out synergy with `comp.ai.*` or `it.*`.
> We could crosspost between `ai.ita.general` and `it.comp` to
> kickstart activity, or even revive `comp.ai.*` as a parallel effort.
> What do you think about that as a bridge?

Revive the already existing groups.
They are already available on the servers and people know the
hierarchies.

> We’d love your take on this—would fewer groups (say, three or four)
> feel more sustainable to you? We’re flexible on the number if it
> helps win your support.

Usenet is already full of unused groups, which makes finding
discussions rather difficult. That is why I advocate for using the
places that already exist.

> ### **Why ai.* is Worth a Shot**
> Marco, we share your desire to see Usenet thrive. AI is buzzing
>  everywhere—X, Reddit, conferences—and Usenet risks missing out
> without a modern, dedicated space.


> Could we convince you to back this as an experiment?

It is your choice anyway. You can create the control files you want and
server operators can follow them, so the groups exist. big-8 and it.*
are already familiar, so most users can use that. I dunno if most NNTP
operators will add another hierarchy, but if you really want, give it a
try.
I also don't know how web archives will handle that.

> Propagate `ai.ita.*`, watch the stats, and see if it takes off. If it
> does, Usenet wins; if not, we pivot. Your support could make the
> difference—any tweaks you’d suggest to feel good about it?

I can't support nor not-support that - I can just give my opinion. I
don't run a news server, but I run a web gateway (only German groups
currently).

If you really want to create that hierarchy, I might add it, but my
server is rather slow.

-- 
kind regards
Marco

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Proposal for the New Top-Level Hierarchy ai.* - Artificial Intelligence Bingo3331 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2025-03-30 23:29 +0000
  Re: Proposal for the New Top-Level Hierarchy ai.* - Artificial Intelligence D <J@M> - 2025-03-31 04:15 +0200
    Re: Proposal for the New Top-Level Hierarchy ai.* - Artificial   Intelligence Bingo3331 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2025-04-01 15:10 +0000
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        Re: Proposal for the New Top-Level Hierarchy ai.* - Artificial   Intelligence Bingo3331 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2025-04-01 17:41 +0000
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  Re: Proposal for the New Top-Level Hierarchy ai.* - Artificial Intelligence Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-31 08:47 +0100
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      Re: Proposal for the New Top-Level Hierarchy ai.* - Artificial Intelligence Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-01 19:18 +0100
  Re: Proposal for the New Top-Level Hierarchy ai.* - Artificial Intelligence Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-03-31 19:42 +0200
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      Re: Proposal for the New Top-Level Hierarchy ai.* - Artificial   Intelligence Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-04-01 20:00 +0200
  Re: Proposal for the New Top-Level Hierarchy ai.* - Artificial Intelligence Julien ÉLIE <iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> - 2025-04-01 17:38 +0200
    Re: Proposal for the New Top-Level Hierarchy ai.* - Artificial   Intelligence Bingo3331 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2025-04-01 16:48 +0000
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