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Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering

From Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc>
Newsgroups comp.theory, sci.logic, sci.math, comp.software-eng
Subject Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering
Message-ID <20220703162148.00001389@reddwarf.jmc> (permalink)
References (10 earlier) <S-mdnfRt7a-LJV3_nZ2dnUU7_81g4p2d@giganews.com> <20220702230537.00001259@reddwarf.jmc> <avudncmA4ZtwX13_nZ2dnUU7_8xh4p2d@giganews.com> <20220703152751.00001f74@reddwarf.jmc> <Y72dndpURKjqM1z_nZ2dnUU7_8zNnZ2d@giganews.com>
Organization Jupiter Mining Corp
Date 2022-07-03 16:21 +0100

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On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 09:57:57 -0500
olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> wrote:

> On 7/3/2022 9:27 AM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> > On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 17:13:01 -0500
> > olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> wrote:
> >   
> >> On 7/2/2022 5:05 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:  
> >>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 16:26:45 -0500
> >>> olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> wrote:
> >>>      
> >>>> On 7/2/2022 1:44 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:  
> >>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 13:41:14 -0500
> >>>>> olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> wrote:
> >>>>>         
> >>>>>> On 7/2/2022 1:28 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:  
> >>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 12:30:03 -0500
> >>>>>>> olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>            
> >>>>>>>> On 7/2/2022 12:26 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:  
> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 12:15:58 -0500
> >>>>>>>>> olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>               
> >>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2022 12:10 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:  
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 11:42:48 -0500
> >>>>>>>>>>> olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>                  
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2022 11:26 AM, Mr Flibble wrote:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 10:34:34 -0500
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This much more concise version of my paper focuses on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the actual execution of three fully operational
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> examples.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> H0 correctly determines that Infinite_Loop() never
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> halts H correctly determines that Infinite_Recursion()
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> never halts H correctly determines that P() never halts
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> void P(u32 x)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>          {
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>           if (H(x, x))
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>             HERE: goto HERE;
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>           return;
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>          }
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> int main()
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>          {
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>           Output("Input_Halts = ", H((u32)P, (u32)P));
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>          }
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As shown below the above P and H have the required
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (halting problem) pathological relationship to each
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> other:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>              For any program H that might determine if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> programs halt, a "pathological"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>              program P, called with some input, can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass its own source and its input to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>              H and then specifically do the opposite of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what H predicts P will do. No H
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>              can exist that handles this case.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_problem
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really need software engineers to verify that H does
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly predict that its complete and correct x86
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> emulation of its input would never reach the "ret"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction of this input.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> software engineering*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/361701808_Halting_problem_proofs_refuted_on_the_basis_of_software_engineering
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>                    
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> void Px(u32 x)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> {
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>           H(x, x);
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>           return;
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> }
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> int main()
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> {
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>           Output("Input_Halts = ", H((u32)Px, (u32)Px));
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> }
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ...[000013e8][00102357][00000000] 83c408          add
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> esp,+08 ...[000013eb][00102353][00000000] 50
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> push eax ...[000013ec][0010234f][00000427] 6827040000
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> push 00000427 ---[000013f1][0010234f][00000427]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> e880f0ffff call 00000476 Input_Halts = 0
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ...[000013f6][00102357][00000000] 83c408          add
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> esp,+08 ...[000013f9][00102357][00000000] 33c0
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> xor eax,eax ...[000013fb][0010235b][00100000] 5d
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>     pop ebp ...[000013fc][0010235f][00000004] c3
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ret Number of Instructions Executed(16120)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As can be seen above Olcott's H decides that Px does not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> halt but it is obvious that Px should always halt if H
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> is a valid halt decider that always returns a decision
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to its caller (Px). Olcott's H does not return a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> decision to its caller (Px) and is thus invalid.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> /Flibble
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Your false assumptions are directly contradicted by the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> semantics of the x86 programming language.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *x86 Instruction Set Reference*  https://c9x.me/x86/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> void Px(u32 x)
> >>>>>>>>>>>> {
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          H(x, x);
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          return;
> >>>>>>>>>>>> }
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> int main()
> >>>>>>>>>>>> {
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          Output("Input_Halts = ", H((u32)Px, (u32)Px));
> >>>>>>>>>>>> }
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> _Px()
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [00001192](01)  55         push ebp
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [00001193](02)  8bec       mov ebp,esp
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [00001195](03)  8b4508     mov eax,[ebp+08]
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [00001198](01)  50         push eax
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [00001199](03)  8b4d08     mov ecx,[ebp+08]
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [0000119c](01)  51         push ecx
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [0000119d](05)  e8d0fdffff call 00000f72
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [000011a2](03)  83c408     add esp,+08
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [000011a5](01)  5d         pop ebp
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [000011a6](01)  c3         ret
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0021) [000011a6]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> _main()
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [000011d2](01)  55         push ebp
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [000011d3](02)  8bec       mov ebp,esp
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [000011d5](05)  6892110000 push 00001192
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [000011da](05)  6892110000 push 00001192
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [000011df](05)  e88efdffff call 00000f72
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [000011e4](03)  83c408     add esp,+08
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [000011e7](01)  50         push eax
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [000011e8](05)  68a3040000 push 000004a3
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [000011ed](05)  e800f3ffff call 000004f2
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [000011f2](03)  83c408     add esp,+08
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [000011f5](02)  33c0       xor eax,eax
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [000011f7](01)  5d         pop ebp
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [000011f8](01)  c3         ret
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0039) [000011f8]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         machine   stack     stack     machine    assembly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         address   address   data      code       language
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         ========  ========  ========  =========
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ============= [000011d2][00101f7f][00000000] 55
> >>>>>>>>>>>> push ebp [000011d3][00101f7f][00000000] 8bec       mov
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ebp,esp [000011d5][00101f7b][00001192] 6892110000 push
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 00001192 [000011da][00101f77][00001192] 6892110000 push
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 00001192 [000011df][00101f73][000011e4] e88efdffff call
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 00000f72
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> H: Begin Simulation   Execution Trace Stored at:11202b
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Address_of_H:f72
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [00001192][00112017][0011201b] 55         push ebp
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [00001193][00112017][0011201b] 8bec       mov ebp,esp
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [00001195][00112017][0011201b] 8b4508     mov
> >>>>>>>>>>>> eax,[ebp+08] [00001198][00112013][00001192] 50
> >>>>>>>>>>>> push eax      // push Px [00001199][00112013][00001192]
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 8b4d08     mov ecx,[ebp+08]
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [0000119c][0011200f][00001192] 51         push ecx
> >>>>>>>>>>>> // push Px [0000119d][0011200b][000011a2] e8d0fdffff
> >>>>>>>>>>>> call 00000f72 // call H(Px,Px) H: Infinitely Recursive
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Simulation Detected Simulation Stopped
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> H knows its own machine address and on this basis it can
> >>>>>>>>>>>> easily examine its stored execution_trace of Px (see
> >>>>>>>>>>>> above) to determine: (a) Px is calling H with the same
> >>>>>>>>>>>> arguments that H was called with. (b) No instructions in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Px could possibly escape this otherwise infinitely
> >>>>>>>>>>>> recursive emulation. (c) H aborts its emulation of Px
> >>>>>>>>>>>> before its call to H is emulated.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [000011e4][00101f7f][00000000] 83c408     add esp,+08
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [000011e7][00101f7b][00000000] 50         push eax
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [000011e8][00101f77][000004a3] 68a3040000 push 000004a3
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [000011ed][00101f77][000004a3] e800f3ffff call 000004f2
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Input_Halts = 0
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [000011f2][00101f7f][00000000] 83c408     add esp,+08
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [000011f5][00101f7f][00000000] 33c0       xor eax,eax
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [000011f7][00101f83][00000018] 5d         pop ebp
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [000011f8][00101f87][00000000] c3         ret
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Number of Instructions Executed(880) == 13 Pages  
> >>>>>>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>>>>> If H wasn't a simulation-based halting decider then Px()
> >>>>>>>>>>> would always halt; the infinite recursion is a
> >>>>>>>>>>> manifestation of your invalid simulation-based halting
> >>>>>>>>>>> decider.  There is no recursion in [Strachey 1965].
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> /Flibble  
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> In other words you are rejecting the concept of a
> >>>>>>>>>> simulating halt decider even though I conclusively proved
> >>>>>>>>>> that it does correctly determine the halt status of: (see
> >>>>>>>>>> my new paper)  
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> No I am rejecting your simulating halt decider as it gets
> >>>>>>>>> the answer wrong for Px() which is not a pathological
> >>>>>>>>> input. Px() halts.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> /Flibble
> >>>>>>>>>               
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I just proved that H(Px,Px) does correctly predict that its
> >>>>>>>> complete and correct x86 emulation of its input would never
> >>>>>>>> reach the "ret" instruction of this input because of the
> >>>>>>>> pathological relationship between H and Px.  
> >>>>>>>      
> >>>>>>> Wrong. Px() is not a pathological input as defined by the
> >>>>>>> halting problem and [Strachey 1965] as it does not try to do
> >>>>>>> the opposite of what H decides.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> /Flibble
> >>>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Your lack of comprehension does not actually count as any
> >>>>>> rebuttal at all.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> void P(u32 x)
> >>>>>>      {
> >>>>>>       if (H(x, x))
> >>>>>>         HERE: goto HERE;
> >>>>>>       return;
> >>>>>>      }
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> int main()
> >>>>>>      {
> >>>>>>       Output("Input_Halts = ", H((u32)P, (u32)P));
> >>>>>>      }
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As shown below the above P and H have the required (halting
> >>>>>> problem) pathological relationship to each other:  
> >>>>> [snip]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> P does but Px does not. I am talking about Px not P.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> void Px(u32 x)
> >>>>> {
> >>>>>       H(x, x);
> >>>>>       return;
> >>>>> }
> >>>>>
> >>>>> int main()
> >>>>> {
> >>>>>       Output("Input_Halts = ", H((u32)Px, (u32)Px));
> >>>>> }
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ...[000013e8][00102357][00000000] 83c408          add esp,+08
> >>>>> ...[000013eb][00102353][00000000] 50              push eax
> >>>>> ...[000013ec][0010234f][00000427] 6827040000      push 00000427
> >>>>> ---[000013f1][0010234f][00000427] e880f0ffff      call 00000476
> >>>>> Input_Halts = 0
> >>>>> ...[000013f6][00102357][00000000] 83c408          add esp,+08
> >>>>> ...[000013f9][00102357][00000000] 33c0            xor eax,eax
> >>>>> ...[000013fb][0010235b][00100000] 5d              pop ebp
> >>>>> ...[000013fc][0010235f][00000004] c3              ret
> >>>>> Number of Instructions Executed(16120)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As can be seen above Olcott's H decides that Px does not halt
> >>>>> but it is obvious that Px should always halt if H is a valid
> >>>>> halt decider that always returns a decision to its caller (Px).
> >>>>> Olcott's H does not return a decision to its caller (Px) and is
> >>>>> thus invalid.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> /Flibble
> >>>>>         
> >>>>     
> >>>>    >  
> >>>>
> >>>> Your false assumptions are directly contradicted by the semantics
> >>>> of the x86 programming language.
> >>>>
> >>>> *x86 Instruction Set Reference*  https://c9x.me/x86/
> >>>>
> >>>> void Px(u32 x)
> >>>> {
> >>>>      H(x, x);
> >>>>      return;
> >>>> }
> >>>>
> >>>> int main()
> >>>> {
> >>>>      Output("Input_Halts = ", H((u32)Px, (u32)Px));
> >>>> }
> >>>>
> >>>> _Px()
> >>>> [00001192](01)  55         push ebp
> >>>> [00001193](02)  8bec       mov ebp,esp
> >>>> [00001195](03)  8b4508     mov eax,[ebp+08]
> >>>> [00001198](01)  50         push eax
> >>>> [00001199](03)  8b4d08     mov ecx,[ebp+08]
> >>>> [0000119c](01)  51         push ecx
> >>>> [0000119d](05)  e8d0fdffff call 00000f72
> >>>> [000011a2](03)  83c408     add esp,+08
> >>>> [000011a5](01)  5d         pop ebp
> >>>> [000011a6](01)  c3         ret
> >>>> Size in bytes:(0021) [000011a6]
> >>>>
> >>>> _main()
> >>>> [000011d2](01)  55         push ebp
> >>>> [000011d3](02)  8bec       mov ebp,esp
> >>>> [000011d5](05)  6892110000 push 00001192
> >>>> [000011da](05)  6892110000 push 00001192
> >>>> [000011df](05)  e88efdffff call 00000f72
> >>>> [000011e4](03)  83c408     add esp,+08
> >>>> [000011e7](01)  50         push eax
> >>>> [000011e8](05)  68a3040000 push 000004a3
> >>>> [000011ed](05)  e800f3ffff call 000004f2
> >>>> [000011f2](03)  83c408     add esp,+08
> >>>> [000011f5](02)  33c0       xor eax,eax
> >>>> [000011f7](01)  5d         pop ebp
> >>>> [000011f8](01)  c3         ret
> >>>> Size in bytes:(0039) [000011f8]
> >>>>
> >>>>     machine   stack     stack     machine    assembly
> >>>>     address   address   data      code       language
> >>>>     ========  ========  ========  =========  =============
> >>>> [000011d2][00101f7f][00000000] 55         push ebp
> >>>> [000011d3][00101f7f][00000000] 8bec       mov ebp,esp
> >>>> [000011d5][00101f7b][00001192] 6892110000 push 00001192
> >>>> [000011da][00101f77][00001192] 6892110000 push 00001192
> >>>> [000011df][00101f73][000011e4] e88efdffff call 00000f72
> >>>>
> >>>> H: Begin Simulation   Execution Trace Stored at:11202b
> >>>> Address_of_H:f72
> >>>> [00001192][00112017][0011201b] 55         push ebp
> >>>> [00001193][00112017][0011201b] 8bec       mov ebp,esp
> >>>> [00001195][00112017][0011201b] 8b4508     mov eax,[ebp+08]
> >>>> [00001198][00112013][00001192] 50         push eax      // push
> >>>> Px [00001199][00112013][00001192] 8b4d08     mov ecx,[ebp+08]
> >>>> [0000119c][0011200f][00001192] 51         push ecx      // push
> >>>> Px [0000119d][0011200b][000011a2] e8d0fdffff call 00000f72 //
> >>>> call H(Px,Px) H: Infinitely Recursive Simulation Detected
> >>>> Simulation Stopped
> >>>>
> >>>> H knows its own machine address and on this basis it can easily
> >>>> examine its stored execution_trace of Px (see above) to
> >>>> determine: (a) Px is calling H with the same arguments that H
> >>>> was called with. (b) No instructions in Px could possibly escape
> >>>> this otherwise infinitely recursive emulation.
> >>>> (c) H aborts its emulation of Px before its call to H is
> >>>> emulated.
> >>>>
> >>>> [000011e4][00101f7f][00000000] 83c408     add esp,+08
> >>>> [000011e7][00101f7b][00000000] 50         push eax
> >>>> [000011e8][00101f77][000004a3] 68a3040000 push 000004a3
> >>>> [000011ed][00101f77][000004a3] e800f3ffff call 000004f2
> >>>> Input_Halts = 0
> >>>> [000011f2][00101f7f][00000000] 83c408     add esp,+08
> >>>> [000011f5][00101f7f][00000000] 33c0       xor eax,eax
> >>>> [000011f7][00101f83][00000018] 5d         pop ebp
> >>>> [000011f8][00101f87][00000000] c3         ret
> >>>> Number of Instructions Executed(880) == 13 Pages  
> >>>    
> >>> I see you wish to pointlessly go around in circles. Oh well.
> >>>
> >>> Px() is not a pathological input as defined by the halting
> >>> problem and [Strachey 1965] as it does not try to do the opposite
> >>> of what H decides.
> >>>
> >>> Px() always halts so your H gets the answer wrong.
> >>>
> >>> /Flibble  
> >>
> >> I found that my reply did not make it to all the groups so I posted
> >> it again.
> >>
> >> *This general principle refutes conventional halting problem
> >> proofs* Every simulating halt decider that correctly simulates its
> >> input until it correctly predicts that this simulated input would
> >> never reach its final state, correctly rejects this input as
> >> non-halting.  
> > 
> > Your H does not "correctly predict" that Px() does reach its final
> > state and so should accept the input as halting.
> > 
> > /Flibble
> >   
> 
> (x86 Instruction Set Reference* https://c9x.me/x86/
> 
> The semantics of the x86 language conclusively proves that the above 
> code is correct. People that disagree with verified facts are either 
> incompetent or liars. Since you cannot even understand that the
> return statement in Px is unreachable code, (to every simulating halt
> decider H) you would be incompetent.
 
Not EVERY simulating halt decider, only YOURS gets the answer wrong.
Px() halts.

/Flibble

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Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-02 10:34 -0500
  Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering "dklei...@gmail.com" <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2022-07-02 09:20 -0700
    Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-02 11:32 -0500
  Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc> - 2022-07-02 17:26 +0100
    Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-02 11:42 -0500
      Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc> - 2022-07-02 18:10 +0100
        Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-02 12:15 -0500
          Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc> - 2022-07-02 18:26 +0100
            Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-02 12:30 -0500
              Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc> - 2022-07-02 19:28 +0100
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-02 13:41 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc> - 2022-07-02 19:44 +0100
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-02 16:26 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc> - 2022-07-02 23:05 +0100
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-02 17:13 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc> - 2022-07-03 15:27 +0100
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-03 09:57 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc> - 2022-07-03 16:21 +0100
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-03 10:30 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc> - 2022-07-03 16:45 +0100
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-03 10:48 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc> - 2022-07-03 16:51 +0100
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-03 11:05 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc> - 2022-07-03 17:07 +0100
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering "dklei...@gmail.com" <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2022-07-03 12:35 -0700
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-03 14:51 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-03 16:21 -0400
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering "dklei...@gmail.com" <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2022-07-03 16:10 -0700
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-03 19:44 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-04 07:45 -0400
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering "dklei...@gmail.com" <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2022-07-04 09:36 -0700
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-04 11:57 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering "dklei...@gmail.com" <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2022-07-04 11:42 -0700
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-04 14:17 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-04 14:21 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-04 18:08 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] "dklei...@gmail.com" <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2022-07-05 11:50 -0700
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-05 14:31 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] "dklei...@gmail.com" <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2022-07-05 16:21 -0700
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-05 18:37 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-05 22:18 -0400
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2022-07-05 14:24 -0600
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-05 15:42 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-05 19:29 -0400
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-07-06 00:53 +0100
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-05 19:01 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] "dklei...@gmail.com" <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2022-07-05 21:00 -0700
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-05 23:02 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] "dklei...@gmail.com" <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2022-07-06 13:58 -0700
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-06 16:13 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] "dklei...@gmail.com" <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2022-07-07 12:19 -0700
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-07 14:39 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] "dklei...@gmail.com" <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2022-07-07 13:54 -0700
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-07 16:08 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] "dklei...@gmail.com" <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2022-07-07 17:36 -0700
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-07 20:34 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] "dklei...@gmail.com" <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2022-07-07 21:35 -0700
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-07 23:48 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] "dklei...@gmail.com" <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2022-07-07 23:09 -0700
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-08 07:54 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] "dklei...@gmail.com" <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2022-07-08 10:59 -0700
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-08 13:02 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-08 17:48 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Irrefutably Correct ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-09 08:16 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Irrefutably Correct ] "dklei...@gmail.com" <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2022-07-09 10:22 -0700
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Irrefutably Correct ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-09 13:40 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Irrefutably Correct ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-09 15:06 -0400
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Irrefutably Correct ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-09 14:18 -0400
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-07 22:16 -0400
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [ Curry–Howard correspondence ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-05 19:50 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-04 15:05 -0400
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-07-05 11:53 +0300
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-05 07:59 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-05 08:00 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-05 19:31 -0400
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-03 13:34 -0400
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-02 19:29 -0400
      Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-02 14:42 -0400
  Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-02 14:40 -0400
    Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-07-12 11:34 -0500
      Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-12 19:06 -0400
  Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Henrietta Stinkbottom <henri@galabbogosutionallity.net> - 2022-07-02 11:52 -0700
  Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering wij <wyniijj2@gmail.com> - 2022-07-12 09:56 -0700
    Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-12 22:15 -0500
      Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-13 07:07 -0400
      Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Paul N <gw7rib@aol.com> - 2022-07-13 08:02 -0700
        Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-13 11:07 -0500
          Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Paul N <gw7rib@aol.com> - 2022-07-13 11:03 -0700
            Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-13 14:37 -0500
              Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering wij <wyniijj2@gmail.com> - 2022-07-13 13:47 -0700
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-13 15:51 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering wij <wyniijj2@gmail.com> - 2022-07-13 14:11 -0700
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-13 19:10 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-13 21:29 -0400
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering wij <wyniijj2@gmail.com> - 2022-07-15 02:20 -0700
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-15 09:26 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering wij <wyniijj2@gmail.com> - 2022-07-15 10:25 -0700
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-15 12:31 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering wij <wyniijj2@gmail.com> - 2022-07-15 11:48 -0700
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-15 19:25 -0400
              Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-13 19:29 -0400
              Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Paul N <gw7rib@aol.com> - 2022-07-14 04:42 -0700
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-14 14:56 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-14 19:20 -0400
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Paul N <gw7rib@aol.com> - 2022-07-15 05:34 -0700
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-15 09:35 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Paul N <gw7rib@aol.com> - 2022-07-15 09:17 -0700
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-15 11:26 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Paul N <gw7rib@aol.com> - 2022-07-16 04:23 -0700
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-16 08:32 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-16 10:24 -0400
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2022-07-16 16:54 +0100
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-16 12:40 -0400
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2022-07-16 20:28 +0100
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering (Mike fails to comprehend) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-16 15:12 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering (Mike fails to comprehend) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-16 18:05 -0400
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering (Mike fails to comprehend) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-16 18:16 -0400
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [thanks Mike] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-17 12:00 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [thanks Mike] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-17 13:06 -0400
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-16 12:43 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-16 13:56 -0400
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-16 19:18 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-16 20:38 -0400
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-16 20:19 -0500
                Re: Halting problem proofs refuted on the basis of software engineering [thanks Mike] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-07-16 21:40 -0500

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