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Re: A formal name?

From anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: A formal name?
Date 2017-01-05 08:20 +0000
Organization Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien
Message-ID <2017Jan5.092052@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink)
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Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> writes:
>So, it seems that there is a subtle distinction between "primitives"
>and either "run-time code for [xxx]" or "run-time routines for
>non-primitives".  It seems that "primitives" are only single-use
>run-time code, while the "doers", or "generic actions", can be used
>repeatedly.  Is that correct?

I think the main difference is that primitives are words, and these
run-time routines are not.  In a Forth/assembler implementation of
Forth, primitives are defined with CODE, and these run-time routines
are the code behind ;CODE.

If a system has words for these routines (e.g., DOCOL:, DOVAR: etc. in
Gforth), these words don't execute the routine, unlike for primitives,
because executing these routines don't make sense on their own;
instead, such words typically produce the address of the routine, and
are used for building non-primitives.

Concerning the term "secondaries", the way I have seen it used is for
colon definitions.  That's why I use "non-primitives" for the class of
words that use these run-time routines.

- anton
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  Re: A formal name? Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-01-03 00:13 -0500
    Re: A formal name? foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2017-01-02 21:58 -0800
    Re: A formal name? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-02 22:05 -1000
      Re: A formal name? Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-01-03 20:25 -0500
        Re: A formal name? foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2017-01-04 17:10 -0800
          Re: A formal name? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-04 16:20 -1000
        Re: A formal name? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-05 08:20 +0000
  Re: A formal name? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-02 21:58 -0800
  Re: A formal name? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-03 12:17 +0000
    Re: A formal name? foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2017-01-03 08:16 -0800

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