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Re: Some ideas about c?

From GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Some ideas about c?
Date 2017-05-18 14:24 +0200
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On Thu, 18 May 2017 03:53:29 -0700 (PDT)
Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> wrote:

> Templates are  efficient.
> The problem is that when a type is templated, you don't know what symbols
> ans operations the type needs to support. This isn't such a problem with STL -
> once you know you need a default constructor and a copy constructor and
> a move constructor for heavyweight objects, you know. But when non-standard
> library programmers create their own generics, it becomes a big problem.

Templates are as efficient as a generic logic can be but a specifically
designed interface is way more efficient. It's like pretending a general
purpose circuit such as a microprocessor is the only way to process all kind of
data but why do so many people buy graphic cards?

The only reason for the STL to be is to lower the bar for unskilled
programmers. 


> The malloc family of functions are special. A pure function may need to call
> malloc and free. Any other subroutines can be supplied or folded into the
> main function.
> But really you want standard math functions and a few standard string handling
> functions, the first because they are a pain to write, the second because otherwise
> everyone has their own version of strcpy() which accepts parameters in a different
> order or copies to and from dynamic memory or takes a length parameter. Any
> of those things you can build a case for, but it's best to stick to a standard.

I doubt that all C programmers need float, complex type or even string utilities.

Once more, if it's difficult to write it doesn't mean it needs to be standard
but only you need a library to avoid the pain.

Do we need GTK+ to be included in the C standard? I don't think so.

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Some ideas about c? Vassilis Spiliopoulos <vassilis@vask1lux.de> - 2017-05-17 23:23 +0300
  Re: Some ideas about c? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-18 08:40 +1200
  Re: Some ideas about c? GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 23:00 +0200
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          Re: Some ideas about c? GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 12:36 +0200
            Re: Some ideas about c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 03:53 -0700
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                Re: Some ideas about c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 05:47 -0700
                Re: Some ideas about c? GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 15:20 +0200
                Re: Some ideas about c? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 06:28 -0700
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