Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE

From	anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE
Date	2016-09-13 16:45 +0000
Organization	Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien
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jim <anon@example.com> writes:
>What seems to have gone wrong with Forth is a failure to crystalize
>a standard and then build on top of it. There seem to be no builders.
>A total absence of tool builders.

It seems to me that some people on the standard committee consider
tool builders unnecessary, or at least support from the standard for
tool builders; the idea seems to be that the system implementors serve
as tool builders, making third-party tool builders unnecessary.

OTOH, even if you cannot do it in a standard way, you can do it in a
system-specific way.  We, the Gforth developers, have no reason to
fear tool developers as competition and would welcome tool developers
that build on Gforth.

>There is currently someone in this group arguing about upper case 
>or lower case for goodness sakes. Seriosuly?

Both Forth-94 and Forth-2012 have failed to standardize the issue; as
a result, that issue crops up now and then.

>I've said it before in the pascal camp - without
>what happens when you hit F1 in Delphi I doubt
>even Borland would have made it a success.
>Lazarus is losing that and losing users as a consequence.

I don't know what F1 does in Delphi, and what Lazarus is.  As for FPC,
do you mean the old DOS Forth by Tom Zimmer?

- anton
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native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE jim <anon@example.com> - 2016-09-08 11:46 +0100
  Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE Andreas Wagner <andreas.wagner@lowfatcomputing.org> - 2016-09-08 07:29 -0700
  Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-09-09 23:48 -0700
    Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE jim <anon@example.com> - 2016-09-10 11:40 +0100
      Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2016-09-10 07:48 -0700
        Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE mhx@iae.nl - 2016-09-10 09:59 -0700
          Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2016-09-10 12:27 -0700
            Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE jim <anon@example.com> - 2016-09-11 15:01 +0100
              Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 08:02 -0700
              Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-09-11 19:07 -0700
          Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-09-10 22:13 +0200
          Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE jim <anon@example.com> - 2016-09-11 14:52 +0100
          Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-09-12 09:10 +0000
            Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-09-12 13:49 +0200
        Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-09-12 13:55 +0000
          Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE jim <anon@example.com> - 2016-09-13 11:18 +0100
            Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 13:26 +0300
            Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE Coos Haak <htrofhc@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 13:13 +0200
              Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 05:46 -0700
                Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE jim <anon@example.com> - 2016-09-14 14:03 +0100
              Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-13 10:30 -0700
            Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-09-13 16:45 +0000
              Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE jim <anon@example.com> - 2016-09-14 14:03 +0100
                Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-09-14 15:16 +0000
                Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE jim <anon@example.com> - 2016-09-15 13:38 +0100
                Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-09-15 21:39 +0200
                Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE jim <anon@example.com> - 2016-09-16 11:54 +0100
                Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-09-16 09:49 -0500
                Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-09-16 15:34 -0700
                Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-15 12:43 -0700
                Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE jim <anon@example.com> - 2016-09-16 12:18 +0100
                Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 02:37 -0700
                Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE jim <anon@example.com> - 2016-09-16 14:45 +0100
                Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-14 10:30 -0700
                Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-09-14 15:42 -0700
      Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-09-10 19:22 -0700
  Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE missycurl@gmail.com - 2016-09-11 06:02 -0700
    Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE missycurl@gmail.com - 2016-09-11 06:08 -0700
      Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE jim <anon@example.com> - 2016-09-11 14:56 +0100
        Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE missycurl@gmail.com - 2016-09-11 12:59 -0700
  Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-09-13 23:10 +0100
    Re: native compiling embedable Forth with decent IDE jim <anon@example.com> - 2016-09-14 14:03 +0100

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