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Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma

From anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Newsgroups comp.arch.embedded, comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma
Date 2016-04-05 07:15 +0000
Organization Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien
Message-ID <2016Apr5.091520@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink)
References <ndpeif$7og$1@dont-email.me> <dmcg18F1sm0U1@mid.dfncis.de> <8pj2gb9cabvk1s1ch647c2n30210d9geuf@4ax.com> <pan.2016.04.05.02.32.53.46000@nowhere.invalid>

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Nobody <nobody@nowhere.invalid> writes:
>The problem is that it raises the bar for any system needing to touch the
>code. It creates problems for printing the code using non-graphical
>printers

Welcome to the 1990s.  Daisy-wheel printers, chain printers, drum
printers and the like have long died out.

> editing the code on a character-based terminal,

Also have died out quite some time ago.

> transmitting it
>through a 7-bit channel

The same, but if you really have one, there are various ways of
recoding 8-bit stuff into 7-bit bytes.

>or embedding it in any data format with a limited
>character set.

The nice thing about data is that it's just bits, and it does not know
how it is interpreted.  That's why UTF-8 works so well.

The lack of knowledge about the interpretation is actually the real
practical problem with UTF-8: If I set up an xterm to interpret
characters as Latin-1-encoded, UTF-8 won't come out right, and vice
versa.  There are ways to deal with that, but they are cumbersome.
But that's the transition pain.

>Most computer systems only allow a small number of characters to be
>entered without having to resort to numeric codes or searching through
>tables for something to be clicked with the mouse.

So what?  Most users have ways to input the kind of data they need to
input.  If a programmer wants to write programs with greek letters, he
probably has a way to input that relatively easily, and he will ensure
that his collaborators have that, too, or he will see their numbers
dwindle, or his beautiful greek letters searched and replaced with
something that his collaborators can type in easily.

I type on a US-layout keyboard.  My favourite editor has support for
inputting Umlauts etc. easily (latin-1-prefix).  I found that Windows
8.1 uses the same convention (maybe because it knows where I live, but
it's still cool).

- anton
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Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-04-02 17:49 -0400
  Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-04-03 06:23 +0000
    Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 02:59 -0400
    Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-04-03 23:14 +0000
      Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 07:18 +0300
        Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 07:48 +0300
  Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-04-03 09:45 +0300
  Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Nils M Holm <nmh@ananda.local> - 2016-04-03 07:32 +0000
  Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2016-04-03 05:25 -0400
    Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 17:22 -0500
  Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Norbert_Paul <norbertpauls_spambin@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 14:05 +0200
  Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2016-04-03 14:18 +0200
    Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-04-03 20:24 +0300
      Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2016-04-03 21:05 +0300
        Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-04-04 09:00 +0000
      Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 21:16 +0300
        Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-04-04 09:17 +0000
          Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 12:46 +0300
            Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-04-05 06:02 +0000
      Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-04-03 23:21 +0000
        Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-04-04 07:11 +0000
          Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-04-04 21:11 +0000
      Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 00:13 -0500
        Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma "Boudewijn Dijkstra" <sp4mtr4p.boudewijn@indes.com> - 2016-04-04 14:06 +0200
      Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Nobody <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2016-04-05 03:32 +0100
        Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma upsidedown@downunder.com - 2016-04-05 09:56 +0300
          Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-04-05 10:03 +0000
            Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-04-05 21:42 +0000
          Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2016-04-05 11:11 -0400
            Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-04-05 11:33 -0500
            Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-04-06 12:50 +0000
        Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-04-05 07:15 +0000
          Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-04-05 21:50 +0000
            Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-04-06 01:18 +0300
              Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Charles Allen <ccallen@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2016-04-06 15:20 +0000
                Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-04-06 18:58 +0300
                Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Ed Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 07:04 -0700
                Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2016-04-07 23:40 +0200
                Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma lasselangwadtchristensen@gmail.com - 2016-04-07 16:04 -0700
                Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-04-08 09:50 +0200
                Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 01:01 -0400
                Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-04-09 13:48 +0200
                Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma mac <acolvin@efunct.com> - 2016-04-11 18:52 +0000
              Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-04-08 23:11 +0000
                Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-04-09 03:19 +0300
                Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Ed Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 15:04 -0700
                Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-04-10 01:49 +0300
                Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Ed Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 11:48 -0700
                Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-04-12 22:53 +0300
                Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2016-04-12 23:03 +0100
                Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-04-13 09:21 +0200
                Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2016-04-13 16:51 +0100
                Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma mac <acolvin@efunct.com> - 2016-04-11 18:52 +0000
                Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-04-11 23:39 +0300
      Re: Decimal Point vs. Decimal Comma Ed Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 06:39 -0700

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