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Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs]

From Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs]
Date 2016-12-12 22:31 +0300
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James R. Kuyper to Anton Shepelev:

> > struct a { int x; };
> > struct c { struct a a; ... } c, * cp = & c;
> > struct a * ap = & c.a;
> >
> > Thanks.  If the first field of a  stucture  has  the
> > same type as that of the pointer target then pointer
> > conversion works.  Will I violate aliasing if I  re-
> > place cp with &c, i.e.:
> >
> >    cp = &c;
> >    ap = (struct a *)&c; /* alias to cp */
> >    ap -> x
>
> Why  are you worried about the possibility of get-
> ting a different answer in this case? Since cp  ==
> &c, (struct a*)cp and (struct a*)&c have precisely
> the same behavior, and  in  particular,  precisely
> the same lack of aliasing problems.
>
> Unless  I've missed some important point (which is
> not impossible - it's happened before),  it  seems
> to  me that you must be seriously misunderstanding
> something, but your questions  have  not  yet  re-
> vealed to me what that misunderstanding is. If you
> could explain, in detail, why  you  thought  there
> might  be  a  problem, I might be able to identify
> what it is that you're misunderstanding.  Alterna-
> tively,  that  explanation  might help me identify
> the "important point" that I've been missing.

No, no it is clearly I who lack understanding :-)

I am worried because C does not allow the use of two
pointers  to  the  same  location but with different
target types with the exceptions that  are  known as
the  rules  of  strict  aliasing.  Why can cp and ap
alias in the example above?  Is it  because  of  the
following item in 6.5.7:

   An  object  shall  have its stored value accessed
   only by an lvalue expression that has one of  the
   following types:
   [...]

     -- an aggregate or union type that includes one
        of the aforementioned types among  its  mem-
        bers  (including, recursively, a member of a
        subaggregate or contained union),

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Aliasing and subtyping structs Andreas <nospam@invalid.invalid> - 2016-11-01 13:15 +0100
  Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs Andreas <nospam@invalid.invalid> - 2016-11-01 13:34 +0100
    Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-01 15:27 +0000
      Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs Andreas <nospam@invalid.invalid> - 2016-11-02 09:47 +0100
        Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-02 15:47 +0000
          Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs Andreas <nospam@invalid.invalid> - 2016-11-08 00:24 +0100
            Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-07 21:42 -0800
        Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2016-11-03 18:53 -0700
          Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-04 09:56 -0700
          Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs Andreas <nospam@invalid.invalid> - 2016-11-08 21:53 +0100
  Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-11-01 11:41 -0400
    Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs Andreas <nospam@invalid.invalid> - 2016-11-02 09:55 +0100
  "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2016-11-21 16:59 +0300
    Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-21 07:32 -0800
    Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-11-21 11:15 -0500
      Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-21 08:35 -0800
        Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2016-11-22 11:42 +0300
          Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-22 06:50 -0800
            Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-22 16:07 +0000
              Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-22 12:02 -0800
                Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-22 23:36 +0000
                Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-22 16:24 -0800
                Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2016-11-22 22:21 -0500
                Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-23 08:31 -0800
                Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] me <crisdunbar@gmail.com> - 2016-11-23 09:01 -0800
                Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-23 12:05 -0800
      Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2016-11-22 23:23 +0300
        Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-11-22 16:02 -0500
          Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-22 14:13 -0800
            Re: container_of() macro Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-11-23 01:10 +0100
              Re: container_of() macro <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2016-11-22 20:10 -0800
                Re: container_of() macro "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-11-23 15:10 -0800
              Re: container_of() macro David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-23 11:31 +0100
                Re: container_of() macro Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2016-11-23 14:07 +0300
                Re: container_of() macro supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-23 08:41 -0800
          Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2016-11-30 00:14 +0300
            Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-11-29 17:23 -0500
              Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2016-12-04 18:48 +0300
                Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-12-04 12:17 -0500
                Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2016-12-04 22:15 +0300
                Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-12-04 15:06 -0500
                Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2016-12-12 22:31 +0300
    Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-11-23 13:39 -0800
      Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2016-11-23 15:10 -0800
        Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-11-23 15:13 -0800
          Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2016-11-23 18:29 -0800
          Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2016-11-24 11:41 +0300
          Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-11-24 03:29 -0800
            Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-11-24 17:37 -0800
              Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-25 09:55 -0800
              Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-11-25 15:22 -0800
                Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-11-28 18:18 -0800
                Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 04:48 -0800
                Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-29 07:28 -0800
                Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-11-30 08:26 -0800
                Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-30 09:13 -0800
                Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-12-12 16:44 -0800
                Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-12-13 02:18 +0100
                Re: "Object-oriented programming in C" [was: Re: Aliasing and subtyping structs] Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-12-14 09:47 -0800
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