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Re: A New Forth

From Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: A New Forth
Date 2016-10-11 06:23 +0200
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On Sun, 9 Oct 2016 10:54:05 +0200 (CEST)
albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) wrote:

> In article <763508c2-cb4c-476f-96d1-95c603729e73@googlegroups.com>,
> trans  <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Saturday, October 8, 2016 at 3:33:58 PM UTC-4, Paul Rubin wrote:  
> <SNIP>
> >  
> >> It sounds like you've been using C++.  If you want exposure to
> >> fancier uses of type systems, you might give Haskell a try.
> >> http://learnyouahaskell.com is a good place to start.  
> >
> >Oh, I have explored Haskell. Lots of interesting ideas. A bit too
> >"interest= ing" I think. On the surface Haskell seems great, but as
> >I explored it more=
> > the extreme focus on types, pure functionality and heavy academics,
> > starts= to wear on code clarity, at least it seemed that way to me.
> > Just look up h=
> >ow to generate a random number for instance.
> >  
> 
> I've seen a lot of solutions to Euler problems where the Haskell code
> was very short and not understandable to me.
> The only thing that suggests to me that there is an interesting
> language to study, not that it is lacking in code clarity, and
> certainly that it is more than just interestign idea's.
> 
> Groetjes Albert

Problem with Haskell is that it is lazy evaluation language. That
implies lot's of memory leaks in more subtle ways than in C.
They called it space leak, because it will be eventually freed but I
seen people have lot of problems because of that.
Most naive example is updating variable without using it on every
iteration. That would result in compiler generating thunk in each
iteration and evaluating said thunks only on first use, which means you
can get out of memory by naive code.

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A New Forth tabcomputing@gmail.com - 2016-10-07 17:56 -0700
  Re: A New Forth Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2016-10-07 23:05 -0400
    Re: A New Forth Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-10-08 10:07 -0400
  Re: A New Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-08 13:08 +0000
    Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 10:54 -0700
      Re: A New Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-08 18:03 +0000
        Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 11:13 -0700
    Re: A New Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-08 11:17 -0700
    Re: A New Forth hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-10-13 14:44 -0700
      Re: A New Forth hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-10-13 14:53 -0700
        Re: A New Forth hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-10-13 15:04 -0700
        Re: A New Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 22:55 -0400
  Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 12:11 -0700
    Re: A New Forth albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-10-08 21:31 +0200
      Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 17:07 -0700
    Re: A New Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-08 12:33 -0700
      Re: A New Forth missycurl@gmail.com - 2016-10-08 12:54 -0700
        Re: A New Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-08 13:29 -0700
      Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 17:28 -0700
        Re: A New Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-08 18:00 -0700
          Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 09:00 -0700
            Re: A New Forth luser droog <mijoryx@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-09 11:19 -0700
            Re: A New Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-10 01:09 -0700
              Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 08:24 -0700
                Re: A New Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-10 13:28 -0700
                Re: A New Forth "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-10-10 11:14 -1000
                Re: A New Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-10 15:11 -0700
                Re: A New Forth Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 21:46 -0400
                Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 16:26 -0700
                Re: A New Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-10 18:58 -0700
                Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 20:15 -0700
              Re: A New Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 07:26 +0300
                Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 03:09 -0700
                Re: A New Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 13:27 +0300
                Re: A New Forth lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-10-13 18:41 -0700
                Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 19:08 -0700
                Re: A New Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 07:58 +0300
          Re: A New Forth franck.bensusan@gmail.com - 2016-10-09 11:09 -0700
          Re: A New Forth lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-10-13 18:45 -0700
        Re: A New Forth albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-10-09 10:54 +0200
          Re: A New Forth missycurl@gmail.com - 2016-10-09 07:35 -0700
          Re: A New Forth Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-11 06:23 +0200
          Re: A New Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-10 21:31 -0700
          Re: A New Forth franck.bensusan@gmail.com - 2016-10-15 00:26 -0700
        Re: A New Forth Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-13 19:16 +0200
          Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 11:46 -0700
            Re: A New Forth Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-13 19:04 +0000
        Re: A New Forth "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-15 20:07 +0000
    Re: A New Forth luser droog <mijoryx@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-08 13:56 -0700
  Re: A New Forth polymorph self <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 19:58 -0700
  Re: A New Forth Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 19:22 -0700
    Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 20:18 -0700
      Re: A New Forth Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 11:14 -0700
        Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 14:22 -0700
          Re: A New Forth jim.brakefield@ieee.org - 2016-10-11 15:11 -0700
            Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 18:03 -0700
          Re: A New Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-11 15:13 -0700
            Re: A New Forth Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 17:52 -0700
              Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 19:55 -0700
              Re: A New Forth hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-10-13 14:21 -0700
                Re: A New Forth hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-10-13 14:36 -0700
            Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 18:08 -0700
              Re: A New Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-11 18:21 -0700
                Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 20:01 -0700
        Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 20:33 -0700
          Re: A New Forth Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 01:15 -0400
            Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 05:44 -0700
              Re: A New Forth Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 11:51 -0400
                Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 09:47 -0700
                Re: A New Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-12 10:08 -0700
                Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 11:48 -0700
                Re: A New Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-12 11:56 -0700
                Re: A New Forth Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 13:41 -0400
                Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 11:57 -0700
                Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 12:02 -0700
                Re: A New Forth Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 09:24 -0400
                Re: A New Forth Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 10:33 -0400
                Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 10:05 -0700
                Re: A New Forth jim <anon@example.com> - 2016-10-12 19:01 +0100
                Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 09:53 -0700
                Re: A New Forth fred <anon@example.com> - 2016-10-14 12:37 +0100
                Re: A New Forth jim <anon@example.com> - 2016-10-14 14:49 +0100
                Re: A New Forth trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 07:20 -0700
                Re: A New Forth jim <anon@example.com> - 2016-10-15 11:58 +0100
                Re: A New Forth tabcomputing@gmail.com - 2016-10-15 10:21 -0700
          Re: A New Forth Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 04:33 -0700
  Re: A New Forth Whammo <sidciavic@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 12:23 -0700

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