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Re: SET-COMPILER

From anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: SET-COMPILER
Date 2015-05-02 17:00 +0000
Organization Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien
Message-ID <2015May2.190034@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink)
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albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) writes:
>In article <2015May2.134148@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>,
>Anton Ertl <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:
>>No.  The compilation semantics of, e.g., S" is not an optimization of
>>compiling its interpretation semantics.  They do different things.
>
>I've been there. I eliminated S" in favour of the denotation-" and
>the difference between compilation and execution of "AAP" is the same
>as between compilation and execution of 1234.

Certainly.  That is why recognizers are better than parsing words like
S"; no STATE-smartness or SET-COMPILER problems.

>BUT I had to allocate permanent storage to interpretation of "AAP".
>So where your S" in interpretation leaves out the allocation,
>it is in fact an optimisation issue. You could make S"
>"compile its interpretation semantics" and loose nothing but memory
>and speed.

The problem is if you have S" as a word with default compilation
semantics (with the FILE-S" interpretation semantics working as
execution semantics to base the default compilation semantics on), and
you write

: foo s" bla" ;

then S" will not parse at compile time and the compilation will
probably fail.  If it did compile, it would then try to parse at run
time.  So you can see that the compilation semantics of S" is
different from compiling its interpretation semantics.

- anton
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SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-04-27 01:34 -0700
  Re: SET-COMPILER stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-04-27 14:52 +0000
    Re: SET-COMPILER Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-04-27 21:17 +0200
    Re: SET-COMPILER hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-28 09:41 -0700
  Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-04-27 16:53 +0100
    Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-04-27 17:02 +0100
      Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-04-27 10:23 -0700
    Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-04-27 10:02 -0700
      Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-01 17:15 +0000
        Re: SET-COMPILER Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-01 23:38 +0200
  Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-27 14:52 +0000
    Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-04-27 17:09 +0100
      Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-27 16:54 +0000
        Re: SET-COMPILER stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-04-28 09:11 +0000
          Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-04-28 04:28 -0700
            Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-04-29 13:49 -0700
              Re: SET-COMPILER Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-04-30 00:13 +0200
              Re: SET-COMPILER stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-04-30 06:32 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-04-30 05:22 -0700
                Re: SET-COMPILER stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-04-30 15:27 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-04-30 19:16 +0100
                Re: SET-COMPILER stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-04-30 21:08 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-04-30 23:05 +0100
                Re: SET-COMPILER hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-30 15:47 -0700
                Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-01 12:29 +0100
                Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-02 15:25 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-30 17:07 -0700
                Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-05-01 02:40 -0700
                Re: SET-COMPILER stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-05-01 10:24 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-01 22:55 +0200
                Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-05-02 01:32 -0700
                Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-02 16:27 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-05-03 08:36 -0700
                Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-04 16:44 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-02 15:37 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-01 01:33 +0200
                Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-05-01 03:15 -0700
                Re: SET-COMPILER albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-01 12:47 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-05-01 10:29 -0700
                Re: SET-COMPILER albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-01 20:32 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-02 15:51 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-02 15:29 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-02 14:59 +0000
              Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-04 16:11 +0000
          Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-02 12:04 +0000
    Re: SET-COMPILER Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-04-28 03:22 +0200
      Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-02 11:09 +0000
        Re: SET-COMPILER albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-02 12:30 +0000
          Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-02 16:58 +0000
        Re: SET-COMPILER Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-02 20:42 +0200
          Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-04 16:28 +0000
          Re: SET-COMPILER Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-05-06 04:14 -0700
    Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-04-27 23:57 -0700
      Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-02 11:41 +0000
        Re: SET-COMPILER albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-02 12:51 +0000
          Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-02 17:00 +0000
            Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-03 11:19 +0100
              Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-05-03 07:30 -0700
                Re: SET-COMPILER Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-05-03 21:45 +0200
                Re: SET-COMPILER Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-05-03 21:48 +0200
                Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-05 22:03 +0100
                Re: SET-COMPILER albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-05 22:56 +0000
                PREFIX JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-05-06 02:30 -0700
                Re: PREFIX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-06 12:23 +0000
                Re: PREFIX "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-06 16:44 +0100
                Re: PREFIX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-06 16:03 +0000
                Re: PREFIX "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-06 17:40 +0100
                Re: PREFIX albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-06 19:44 +0000
                Re: PREFIX Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-06 22:05 +0200
                Re: PREFIX Bernd Linsel <bl1@gmx.com> - 2015-05-07 04:23 +0200
                Re: PREFIX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-08 11:48 +0000
                Re: PREFIX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-08 12:04 +0000
                Re: PREFIX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-08 11:55 +0000
                Re: PREFIX "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-06 14:20 +0100
                Re: PREFIX albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-06 19:41 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-06 12:29 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-06 15:07 +0100
                Re: SET-COMPILER Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2015-05-09 03:02 -0700
                Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-09 17:23 +0100
                Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-11 08:07 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-11 11:20 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2015-05-12 10:05 -0700
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-12 18:34 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2015-05-12 12:07 -0700
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-12 22:11 +0200
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-12 21:35 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-13 01:31 +0200
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-13 16:20 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2015-05-13 12:20 -0700
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-13 22:24 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-14 11:26 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2015-05-14 11:00 -0700
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-05-14 08:06 -0700
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-14 17:21 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2015-05-14 11:31 -0700
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-14 19:41 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2015-05-14 11:49 -0700
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-15 09:41 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-15 12:19 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-15 14:42 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-05-15 10:37 -0700
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-15 23:00 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-16 13:52 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-16 19:24 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2015-05-16 13:26 -0700
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-05-17 00:27 +0200
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-17 10:03 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-17 23:25 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-15 10:02 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-15 12:35 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-15 15:33 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-15 14:01 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-15 13:14 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-13 17:07 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-14 03:27 +0200
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-13 19:23 -0700
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-05-14 01:08 -0700
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-13 14:30 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-14 03:40 +0200
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-15 13:26 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-12 21:33 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-13 10:36 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-13 16:06 +0000
              Re: SET-COMPILER Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-03 20:38 +0200

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