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Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER

From anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER
Date 2015-05-16 13:52 +0000
Organization Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien
Message-ID <2015May16.155208@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink)
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"Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> writes:
>I didn't like ->value, but I presumed it wasn't -> value because of some
>parsing issue.

No, a recognizer can parse on its own (necessary for recognizing
"bla bla"), but the idea is to make the whole thing look like a word.

If we wanted to have a space in between, we could just as well just
have TO VALUE.  I think that would be a conforming implementation of
the standard TO.

The reason why I think that we should avoid extra parsing if we can is
that, while Forth programmers sometimes like to think of parsing words
and what they parse as one unit (and try to accomodate that with,
e.g., STATE-smart words), sometimes they (either different programmers
or in a different context) expect the word to stand for itself, and it
would be surprising to them if it included the parsed stuff.  E.g., if
somebody writes

... postpone to v ...

it might be surprising to the programmer or readers of the program if
this postpones "to v" rather than "to".  If somebody writes

... postpone ->v ...

I think that everybody expects ->V to be a unit.  For the

... postpone "bla bla" ...

case, it's pretty obvious that "bla bla" is a unit, so the
expectations of the programmers should not be a problem for that.

- anton
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SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-04-27 01:34 -0700
  Re: SET-COMPILER stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-04-27 14:52 +0000
    Re: SET-COMPILER Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-04-27 21:17 +0200
    Re: SET-COMPILER hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-28 09:41 -0700
  Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-04-27 16:53 +0100
    Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-04-27 17:02 +0100
      Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-04-27 10:23 -0700
    Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-04-27 10:02 -0700
      Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-01 17:15 +0000
        Re: SET-COMPILER Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-01 23:38 +0200
  Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-27 14:52 +0000
    Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-04-27 17:09 +0100
      Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-27 16:54 +0000
        Re: SET-COMPILER stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-04-28 09:11 +0000
          Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-04-28 04:28 -0700
            Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-04-29 13:49 -0700
              Re: SET-COMPILER Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-04-30 00:13 +0200
              Re: SET-COMPILER stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-04-30 06:32 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-04-30 05:22 -0700
                Re: SET-COMPILER stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-04-30 15:27 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-04-30 19:16 +0100
                Re: SET-COMPILER stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-04-30 21:08 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-04-30 23:05 +0100
                Re: SET-COMPILER hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-30 15:47 -0700
                Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-01 12:29 +0100
                Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-02 15:25 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-30 17:07 -0700
                Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-05-01 02:40 -0700
                Re: SET-COMPILER stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-05-01 10:24 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-01 22:55 +0200
                Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-05-02 01:32 -0700
                Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-02 16:27 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-05-03 08:36 -0700
                Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-04 16:44 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-02 15:37 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-01 01:33 +0200
                Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-05-01 03:15 -0700
                Re: SET-COMPILER albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-01 12:47 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-05-01 10:29 -0700
                Re: SET-COMPILER albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-01 20:32 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-02 15:51 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-02 15:29 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-02 14:59 +0000
              Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-04 16:11 +0000
          Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-02 12:04 +0000
    Re: SET-COMPILER Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-04-28 03:22 +0200
      Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-02 11:09 +0000
        Re: SET-COMPILER albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-02 12:30 +0000
          Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-02 16:58 +0000
        Re: SET-COMPILER Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-02 20:42 +0200
          Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-04 16:28 +0000
          Re: SET-COMPILER Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-05-06 04:14 -0700
    Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-04-27 23:57 -0700
      Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-02 11:41 +0000
        Re: SET-COMPILER albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-02 12:51 +0000
          Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-02 17:00 +0000
            Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-03 11:19 +0100
              Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-05-03 07:30 -0700
                Re: SET-COMPILER Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-05-03 21:45 +0200
                Re: SET-COMPILER Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-05-03 21:48 +0200
                Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-05 22:03 +0100
                Re: SET-COMPILER albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-05 22:56 +0000
                PREFIX JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-05-06 02:30 -0700
                Re: PREFIX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-06 12:23 +0000
                Re: PREFIX "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-06 16:44 +0100
                Re: PREFIX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-06 16:03 +0000
                Re: PREFIX "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-06 17:40 +0100
                Re: PREFIX albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-06 19:44 +0000
                Re: PREFIX Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-06 22:05 +0200
                Re: PREFIX Bernd Linsel <bl1@gmx.com> - 2015-05-07 04:23 +0200
                Re: PREFIX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-08 11:48 +0000
                Re: PREFIX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-08 12:04 +0000
                Re: PREFIX anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-08 11:55 +0000
                Re: PREFIX "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-06 14:20 +0100
                Re: PREFIX albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-06 19:41 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-06 12:29 +0000
                Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-06 15:07 +0100
                Re: SET-COMPILER Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2015-05-09 03:02 -0700
                Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-09 17:23 +0100
                Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-11 08:07 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-11 11:20 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2015-05-12 10:05 -0700
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-12 18:34 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2015-05-12 12:07 -0700
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-12 22:11 +0200
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-12 21:35 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-13 01:31 +0200
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-13 16:20 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2015-05-13 12:20 -0700
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-13 22:24 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-14 11:26 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2015-05-14 11:00 -0700
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-05-14 08:06 -0700
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-14 17:21 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2015-05-14 11:31 -0700
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-14 19:41 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2015-05-14 11:49 -0700
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-15 09:41 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-15 12:19 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-15 14:42 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-05-15 10:37 -0700
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-15 23:00 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-16 13:52 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-16 19:24 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2015-05-16 13:26 -0700
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-05-17 00:27 +0200
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-17 10:03 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-17 23:25 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-15 10:02 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-15 12:35 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-15 15:33 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-15 14:01 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-15 13:14 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-13 17:07 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-14 03:27 +0200
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-13 19:23 -0700
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-05-14 01:08 -0700
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-13 14:30 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-14 03:40 +0200
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-15 13:26 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-12 21:33 +0100
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-13 10:36 +0000
                Re: Recognizer RfD was Re: SET-COMPILER anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-13 16:06 +0000
              Re: SET-COMPILER Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-03 20:38 +0200

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