Re: "i = i|0"

From	Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.javascript, comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: "i = i\|0"
Date	2014-06-12 21:15 +0000
Organization	Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID	<20140612140350.465@kylheku.com> (permalink)
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On 2014-06-12, Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> wrote:
> Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>
>> monster.com search for "JavaScript":
>> 
>>   631 JavaScript jobs matched your search
>> 
>> monster.com search for "ECMAScript"
>> 
>>   *crickets*
>> 
>> careers.stackoverflow.com search for "JavaScript"
>> 
>>   932 jobs for "JavaScript"
>> 
>> careers.stackoverflow.com search for "ECMAScript"
>> 
>>   2 jobs for ECMAScript
>> 
>> It's safe to say that pretty much nobody in the real world gives a fuck about
>> "ECMAScript".
>
> I somewhat agree.  That might be the reason for the poor quality of many
> JavaScript programs in the wild.

Here is an issue. ECMAScript insinuates that the language is a standard
dialect. What do you call a dialect which consists of ECMAScript, plus
some implementation-specific extensions?

If you call that ECMAScript, it is misleading, because uses features that are
not described in any Ecma standard.

With a normal language name that doesn't incorporate a standards organization
acronym, we don't have a problem.

For instance we say that we are working in C++ (where most of othe code is
ISO C++, and parts are GNU C++).

The generic name C++ usefully refers to the whole family of dialects.

It is the case with numerous languages; Lisp, Fortran, Pascal, you name it.

As soon as you qualify the name with the name of a standards organization, like
"ISO C++", it cannot clearly refer to the dialect family any more.

In their feverish zeal to have a famous "Script" language named after
their god-forsaken organization, the Eurotards responsible for this farce
clearly didn't pause for a second to think a little bit.

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Re: "i = i|0" Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2014-06-11 21:09 +0000
  Re: "i = i|0" James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-06-11 17:37 -0400
    Re: "i = i|0" Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-06-12 00:56 +0200
      Re: "i = i|0" raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2014-06-12 11:41 +0000
        Re: "i = i|0" Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-06-12 14:28 +0200
      Re: "i = i|0" James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-06-12 08:19 -0400
        Re: "i = i|0" Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-06-12 14:45 +0200
          Re: "i = i|0" James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-06-12 09:25 -0400
            Re: "i = i|0" raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2014-06-12 14:50 +0000
              Re: "i = i|0" Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-06-12 16:55 +0200
                Re: "i = i|0" Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-06-12 11:28 -0700
                Re: "i = i|0" Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-06-12 20:46 +0200
                Re: "i = i|0" Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-06-12 20:58 +0200
                Re: "i = i|0" Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-06-12 19:20 +0000
                Re: "i = i|0" Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-06-12 22:13 +0200
                Re: "i = i|0" Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-06-12 21:15 +0000
                Re: "i = i|0" Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-06-12 23:59 +0200
                Re: "i = i|0" Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-06-13 01:10 +0200
                Re: "i = i|0" Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-06-13 01:52 +0200
                ECMAScript standards (was: "i = i|0") Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-06-15 12:53 +0200
                Re: "i = i|0" Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-06-12 17:11 -0500
                Re: "i = i|0" Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-06-12 22:40 +0000
                Re: "i = i|0" glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-06-12 22:44 +0000
                Re: "i = i|0" Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-06-13 01:16 +0200
                Re: "i = i|0" raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2014-06-16 12:55 +0000
                Re: "i = i|0" Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-06-16 22:44 +0200
                Re: "i = i|0" Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2014-06-13 19:16 +0200
                Re: "i = i|0" Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-06-13 19:21 +0200
                Re: "i = i|0" Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-13 18:24 +0100
                Re: "i = i|0" Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-06-13 21:25 +0000
            Re: "i = i|0" Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-06-12 17:13 +0200
              Re: "i = i|0" raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2014-06-12 15:20 +0000
                Re: "i = i|0" Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-06-12 17:32 +0200
                Re: "i = i|0" Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-06-17 12:30 +0200
              Re: "i = i|0" James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-06-12 12:17 -0400
                Re: "i = i|0" Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-06-12 20:01 +0200
                Re: "i = i|0" James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-06-12 16:13 -0400
                Re: "i = i|0" glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-06-12 20:44 +0000
                Re: "i = i|0" Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-06-12 20:59 +0000
                Re: "i = i|0" Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-06-13 01:22 +0200
                Re: "i = i|0" Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-12 19:48 -0500
                Re: "i = i|0" "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2014-06-12 18:32 -0700
                Re: "i = i|0" Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-06-13 12:12 +0200
                Re: "i = i|0" John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2014-06-13 10:16 +0100
                Re: "i = i|0" Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-13 11:44 +0100
          Re: "i = i|0" "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-06-12 15:06 +0100
            Re: "i = i|0" Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-06-12 16:54 +0200

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