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Re: do{switch(0)default:{/*break or continue*/;}/*cleanup*/}while(0);

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On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 08:14:44 -0700 (PDT)
"Kleuskes & Moos" <kleuske@xs4all.nl> wrote:

> On Jul 22, 4:11 pm, Francois Grieu <fgr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [..]
> > If I rationalize: on low-end platforms (PIC..) that I often use, RAM
> > size is a few hundred bytes and program space a few kbytes, so every
> > byte counts. Even on relatively powerful CPUs (Arm, x86) and when memory
> > is not an issue, using one more register may force the shift of
> > something into memory rather than in a register, or/and a little extra
> > code could abruptly reduce cache efficiency, and in turn slow down
> > things considerably. I bet I could construct an articial demo where the
> > suggested change increases execution time/power draw quite perceptibly,
> > say by 30%.
> >
> >    Francois Grieu
> 
> If such finegrained control is needed, wouldn't you be better off
> using assembly? Most uC targeted compilers i know of mix the two quite
> well.
> 
> From what i read portability isn't a great concern, since you're quite
> specific on the platform, so that can't be the issue.

Have you ever used assembly on a microcontroller? Many of the
widely-used Atmel uCs, for example, don't have a multiply instruction.
They cannot do calculations on any integers larger than 8 bits
directly. There is no "add immediate" instruction either; you have to
negate the value and use "subtract immediate" instead. Letting the
compiler handle things like 16-bit multiplication certainly makes
things a lot easier.

Programming uCs in assembly is hard, error-prone, and the code will not
be easy to maintain. If anyone says they would rather program uCs in C,
they certainly have a point.

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