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Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT

From snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)
Newsgroups alt.checkmate
Subject Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT
Date 2024-12-31 19:52 +0000
Organization Sn!peCo World Wide Wading Birds
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Peter Steele <snakesbloodpussycat@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sn!pe wrote:
> > Peter Steele <snakesbloodpussycat@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> You and Sn!pe going to give me the third degree for yet another day?
> >>
> > 
> > You got a reprieve from me, now that you've stopped
> > blurting that AI stylee stream-of-consciousness nonsense.
> > 
> 
> but it's not nonsense.  It's just a misguided attempt to produce an 
> example of what I am talking about as if that would make it clearer.  It
> appears that it unfortunately distracts from what I am speaking of. 
> I'll agree that it's AI style, however, because I think the ChatGPT 
> swims in analogies too, and is how its brain works.  That is probably
> because I was raised by video game AIs until I collapsed in 1994 from
> exhaustion.  There's a convincing plethora of security in video games
> that is not actually present in the real world.
>

There's a plethora of cynicism here, with a side order of scepticism.

-- 
^Ï^.    Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS         My pet rock Gordon just is.

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I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 16:56 -0700
  Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-12-31 00:02 +0000
    Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 17:09 -0700
      Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Tard Wrangler <youknowit@alphamale.corn> - 2024-12-30 16:50 -0800
        Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-12-31 01:10 +0000
          Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Tard Wrangler <youknowit@alphamale.corn> - 2024-12-30 17:49 -0800
            Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 19:14 -0700
  Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2024-12-31 01:53 +0000
    Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 19:36 -0700
      Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2024-12-31 02:46 +0000
        Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 20:22 -0700
          Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2024-12-31 04:49 +0000
            Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Peter Steele <snakesbloodpussycat@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-30 23:07 -0600
              Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2024-12-31 09:36 +0000
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Peter Steele <snakesbloodpussycat@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-31 10:21 -0600
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2024-12-31 16:26 +0000
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Peter Steele <snakesbloodpussycat@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-31 10:35 -0600
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 10:53 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Casa <casa@nomail.invalid> - 2024-12-31 13:55 -0500
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 12:16 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Casa <casa@nomail.invalid> - 2024-12-31 14:20 -0500
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 12:26 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Tard Wrangler <youknowit@alphamale.corn> - 2025-01-01 20:11 -0800
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Casa <casa@nomail.invalid> - 2024-12-31 13:53 -0500
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 12:18 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Casa <casa@nomail.invalid> - 2024-12-31 14:22 -0500
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 12:25 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Casa <casa@nomail.invalid> - 2024-12-31 14:27 -0500
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 12:28 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Casa <casa@nomail.invalid> - 2024-12-31 14:33 -0500
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 12:54 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Casa <casa@nomail.invalid> - 2024-12-31 17:35 -0500
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 15:55 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Peter Steele <snakesbloodpussycat@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-31 14:04 -0600
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 13:11 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2024-12-31 20:19 +0000
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 13:51 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Doc Hammerslack <dochammerslack@creon.earth> - 2025-01-01 07:17 +0000
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-01-01 10:31 +0000
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 07:18 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-01-01 14:34 +0000
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Peter Steele <snakesbloodpussycat@yahoo.com> - 2025-01-01 08:36 -0600
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 07:40 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-01-01 15:11 +0000
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 08:12 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-01 14:52 +0000
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 07:56 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Tard Wrangler <youknowit@alphamale.corn> - 2025-01-01 20:17 -0800
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-01-02 08:13 +0000
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Casa <casa@nomail.invalid> - 2024-12-31 17:39 -0500
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Peter Steele <snakesbloodpussycat@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-31 17:48 -0600
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 16:58 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Casa <casa@nomail.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:18 -0500
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 17:20 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Casa <casa@nomail.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:22 -0500
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 17:29 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Casa <casa@nomail.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:32 -0500
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 17:38 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-01-01 00:43 +0000
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Casa <casa@nomail.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:57 -0500
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 18:42 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Casa <casa@nomail.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:48 -0500
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 18:49 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-01-01 03:23 +0000
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 20:29 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-01-01 05:22 +0000
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Doc Hammerslack <dochammerslack@creon.earth> - 2025-01-01 07:22 +0000
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-01-01 10:24 +0000
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 07:19 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 07:17 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-01-01 14:35 +0000
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 07:41 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-01 14:58 +0000
                Re: ❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄ πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆI DON'T CARE I GOTπŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ ❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄ (Was: πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆI DON'T CARE I GOTπŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ) πŸŒˆπŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸŒˆJenπŸŒˆπŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸŒˆ Dershmender πŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸΆη¬›πŸŒˆπŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸŒˆ <root@127.0.0.1>  - 2025-01-01 15:05 +0000
                Re: ❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄ πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆI DON'T CARE I GOTπŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ ❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄ (Was: πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆI DON'T CARE I GOTπŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ) % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 08:08 -0700
                Re: ? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ? ????I DON'T CARE I GOT???? ? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ? snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-01 15:28 +0000
                Re: ❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄ πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ? ❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄ (Was: πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?? Snowflake ?) πŸŒˆπŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸŒˆJenπŸŒˆπŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸŒˆ Dershmender πŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸΆη¬›πŸŒˆπŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸŒˆ <root@127.0.0.1>  - 2025-01-01 15:41 +0000
                Re: ? Tard Wrangler <youknowit@alphamale.corn> - 2025-01-01 10:39 -0800
                Re: ? K Wills <kw61@kw61.kw> - 2025-01-02 00:50 -0800
                Re: ? Tard Wrangler <youknowit@alphamale.corn> - 2025-01-02 02:38 -0800
                Re: Snowflake K Wills <kw61@kw61.kw> - 2025-01-02 00:50 -0800
                Re: QUEAHS Tard Wrangler <youknowit@alphamale.corn> - 2025-01-01 10:39 -0800
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-01-01 15:43 +0000
                Re: πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆI DON'T CARE I GOTπŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ πŸŒˆπŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸŒˆJenπŸŒˆπŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸŒˆ Dershmender πŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸΆη¬›πŸŒˆπŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸŒˆ <root@127.0.0.1>  - 2025-01-01 15:45 +0000
                Re: πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆI DON'T CARE I GOTπŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-01-01 15:49 +0000
                Re: πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆRe: πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆI DON'T CARE I GOTπŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆπŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ πŸŒˆπŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸŒˆJenπŸŒˆπŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸŒˆ Dershmender πŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸΆη¬›πŸŒˆπŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸŒˆ <root@127.0.0.1>  - 2025-01-01 16:30 +0000
                Re: πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆRe: πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆI DON'T CARE I GOTπŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆπŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 10:41 -0700
                Re: ????Re: ????I DON'T CARE I GOT???????? snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-01 18:13 +0000
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Casa <casa@nomail.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:10 -0500
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 17:17 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Casa <casa@nomail.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:19 -0500
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Peter Steele <snakesbloodpussycat@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-31 19:05 -0600
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Casa <casa@nomail.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:27 -0500
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 18:43 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Casa <casa@nomail.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:49 -0500
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 18:56 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 18:42 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Tard Wrangler <youknowit@alphamale.corn> - 2025-01-01 20:16 -0800
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Peter Steele <snakesbloodpussycat@yahoo.com> - 2025-01-02 12:14 -0600
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 11:31 -0700
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-12-31 19:00 +0000
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Peter Steele <snakesbloodpussycat@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-31 13:42 -0600
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-12-31 19:52 +0000
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2024-12-31 20:04 +0000
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-12-31 22:59 +0000
            Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 10:51 -0700
      Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-12-31 02:45 +0000
        Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 20:23 -0700
          Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-12-31 03:26 +0000
            Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 20:31 -0700
              Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-12-31 03:44 +0000
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2024-12-31 04:51 +0000
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Peter Steele <snakesbloodpussycat@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-30 23:06 -0600
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2024-12-31 05:22 +0000
                Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Peter Steele <snakesbloodpussycat@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-30 23:31 -0600
            Re: I DON'T CARE I GOT Tard Wrangler <youknowit@alphamale.corn> - 2024-12-30 22:36 -0800

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