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Re: 370 address sizes, Styles of addressing

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Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> posted:

> On 9/1/26 5:17 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> > On Tue, 01 Sep 2026 10:07:14 -0700, Andy Valencia wrote:
> > 
> >> Certainly this happened with Stanford University's homebrew DBMS,
> >> SPIRES. My father-in-law told me of the immense work needed to free
> >> up the address bits to permit extended addressing. He said when they
> >> did the original code, nobody imagined that they'd ever need those
> >> upper bits for addressing.
> > 
> > The original Apple MacOS went through this in the 1980s.
> > 
> > The 68000-family instruction set allowed for 32-bit addresses, but the
> > original 68000 processor only looked at the bottom 24 bits. So the Mac
> > system used those top 8 bits for various memory-management purposes.

Sins of the past...
 
> > Even when they brought out the Mac II, the first with a 68020
> > processor that *did* pay attention to all 32 bits of the address, they
> > stuck in a stub MMU on the motherboard that removed those top 8 bits
> > before actually accessing memory.
> > 
> > Then, by about 1990, they introduced models with “32-bit clean” ROMs,
> > that didn’t make any such odd uses of those top 8 bits internally, and
> > could address more than 16MiB of RAM.
> 
> I have wondered why Motorola did not add a 24-bit address mode
> (or even provide such with a hardwired configuration on earlier
> implementations, knowing that the extra bits would be desired
> for other uses to save memory).

We realized our earlier mistake and did not want to repeat it.
 
> This would have introduced overhead for new OSes (having to
> configure the bit), but would allow old software to run
> correctly while allowing use of the 32-bit address space.
> (Determining when software can use 32-bit mode might be
> difficult. User pointers in system calls would also need
> to be masked, but I think an OS already needs to prevent
> OS-privilege access to arbitrary user-provided addresses.)
> 
> AArch64 provides a means (Top Byte Ignore) of masking the most
> significant octet to allow it to be used by software.

Sins of the present...

>                                                       Many
> consider this a serious architecture design mistake, citing
> history where such has caused compatibility headaches. I _feel_
> that system software should be able to handle this extra
> complexity without great difficulty, but I have never developed
> even a task scheduler much less an OS. Since some OSes support
> use of Top Byte Ignore, I am guessing this is not a huge
> problem.
> 
> Interestingly, Stanford MIPS used the extra bits for an address
> space number and had a variable length mask. («The size of the
> process virtual address space is defined by a bit mask in a
> special register.

My 66000 has a 3-bit LVL field in the Root pointer (in all MMU
pointers). LVL in root tells you the VAS size (and PA==VA).
A process==thread can have VAS as small as 23-bits (cat) and
use 1 page as the page table. Saving all those unnecessary
MMU accesses.

LVL in PTPs allows for level skipping (sparse spaces). LVL in
the pointer pointing at a PTE tells you size of the (super)page.
No need for a control register field to specify what the natural
organization of the table structure provides.

>                   When masking is enabled for normal operations,
> a process identifier from another special register is
> substituted for the high order bits of the machine address.

My 66000 assigns ASID as Address<79..64> and also drags priority
around the on-die interconnect to allow memory to decide on the 
order of near-identical-timing interfering ATOMIC accesses (higher 
wins).

> These two special registers are accessible only to processes
> running in supervisor state. The masking unit also detects
> attempts to access outside the legal segment and raises an
> exception to the master pipeline control. Although the virtual
> address is a full 32 bits, the package constraint only permits
> 24 address pins. With word addressing, however, this gives an
> address space of 64 megabytes.», "Design of a High-Performance 
> VLSI Processor", John Hennessey et al., 1983)
> 
> The masking in Stanford MIPS did not allow software flags but
> did allow some process isolation even without a permission
> table. Such also allowed the ASID to vary in size without
> requiring more address bits if some processes were compact.

A valid design point in 1983, not so much today--unless vastly 
extended.
 
> If I recall correctly, 32-bit ARM provided a means to define the
> size of the user address space such that a variable number of
> more significant bits were used as system address bits (similar
> to the negative addresses are system addresses of some OSes)
> with a separate page table. This did not allow software use of
> the extra bits, but provided some flexibility in page tables
> (the number of levels for the user page table could be decreased
> and the entire system address space page table could be shared
> rather than duplicating the root "page" in each process) and
> PTEs would not need a global bit to indicate preservation across
> processes.

Since My 66000 Core-State has 4 contexts installed at all times,
there are 4 {ASIDs, priorities, privileges, and threads} iden-
tified at all times, allowing greater privilege threads to access
lesser privileged threads without any "global" bit in PTE/PTP/TLB.
Basically ASID does this cleaner. HV can reach into Host OS, while
Host OS can reach into Guest OS. Guest OS can reach into application
without any of them overusing/overspecifying the concept of 'global'
and there can be as many as desired 'global' spaces--all specified
in the MMU tables.

I, personally, do not see a single 'global' bit being "all that
useful" when there are 27 Guest OSs running simultaneously, all
27 thinking they are the only OSs running at that instant in 
time. These Guest OSs might be running under 10 Host OSs which
might be running under 3 HyperVisors.

Handing out unique ASIDs is a very easy job for HV.

>            (32-bit PowerPC segments were vaguely similar in
> allowing 16 segments with separate virtual address spaces. In
> theory, this might support somewhat flexible sharing. HP PA-RISC
> provided fewer segments but more flexible/complex use. [I think
> encoding the segment bits in the least significant bits would
> have been better than using the high bits; it would have made
> the change to 64-bit simpler and allowed full-space dynamic
> segment addresses at the cost of having to encode segment
> numbers in the instruction for byte and half-word aligned
> pointers and disallowing alignment traps based on such bits.])

More sins of the past...
 
> Implicit hardware masking of tags can be useful, though I do
> wonder if such could be usefully generalized to better support
> multiple data in a single load. (32-bit paired loads in AArch64
> do this to some degree, but it might be practical to exploit the
> alignment network for loads to parse a load into two pieces at
> byte granularity. An unaligned address could indicate the
> split point.)

Looking forward, loading 128-256 bits per access might be useful
in the not so distant future, if only used for complex types
{real, imag} with 64-bit and 128-bit element sizes.
 
> With x86 one can perform a full-register-size load and access
> sub-sections (for some registers). Providing denser register
> storage use has advantages when memory is slow, but using
> subregisters complicates renaming (and forwarding, which is
> kind of renaming).

The understatement of the month award winner.

>                    (Like CMOV, out-of-order execution
> complicates use of subregisters.)

For 70 years, a register would contain a single value, then
MMX ruined the game...prior was the model compilers are good 
at using.

>                                   It might be possible
> (practical even) to support a restrained use of subregisters
> (less restrained than SIMD that defines a single size and
> divides the register into lanes of that size), but it seems
> likely that such would not be *worthwhile*.

SIMD is bad for your architecture and for your thinking processes.

> Even without address masking, part of addresses can be used
> to hold type information at the cost of sparser use of the
> address space.

The only thing your architecture cannot survive (over time)
is lack of address bits. Do not give them away before your 4th
generation implementations have sold 100M chips.

>                (This introduces a possible performance
> compatibility concern. Software may seek to minimize translation
> overhead from sparsity, but that ties software performance to
> specifics of address translation (like which bits are used for
> table levels). Even using a tag to indicate a leaf pointer might
> be useful with a tracing garbage collector.)

Simply a symptom of poor MMU table design.

On the other hand, I have used a strategy where when I need some
structure that can become garbage, I fork off a process, have it
create the structure, then distill a result, then have it return 
the result and terminate itself. Almost always faster, always 
safer.
 
> With many 64-bit systems limiting user space pointers to 47 bits
> (one bit of the 48-bit address space differentiating system and
> user space), it seems sad that programs would have to explicitly
> mask/extract small pointers to use those extra bits.

With ECAM based on PCIe 4.0+, your device address space consumes
up to 40-bits. And then there is the configuration space, and the
interrupt table aperture space, and other system spaces--all vying 
for those 47-bits. I suspect 47 will not be sufficient very long.

My 66000's solution is to provide a complete 64-bit VAS that can be
translated into a 66-bit universal address space consisting of four
64-bit spaces {DRAM, device, config, ROM}. I don't want any of these 
spaces to cause issues while I remain alive. Both cores and devices
use the 66-bit UAS.

Using MSI-X interrupts, allows interrupt tables to perform DPC/softIRQ
queueing without normally associated SW overheads. Cores can send cores
interrupts using the same mechanisms as devices. Since there is an
unlimited number of interrupt tables (My 66000) and since the are
constructed with a DAG structure, anything that can touch the interrupt
aperture can send interrupts to any virtual core. When that virtual
core has control, those interrupts are 'processed'.
 
> [I better send this before my mind wanders even farther.]

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                Re: Styles of addressing MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-14 00:42 +0000
                CHERI (was: Styles of addressing) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-10 17:02 +0000
                Re: CHERI (was: Styles of addressing) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-10 18:58 +0000
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                Re: CHERI (was: Styles of addressing) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-11 06:00 +0000
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                Data-independent timing (was: CHERI (was: Styles of addressing) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-14 06:22 +0000
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                Re: Data-independent timing (was: CHERI anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-14 21:35 +0000
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                Re: CHERI (was: Styles of addressing) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-12 16:42 +0000
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                Re: Addressing Shared Stuff Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 12:05 -0400
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                Re: Addressing Shared Stuff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-17 00:26 +0000
                Re: Addressing Shared Stuff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-17 09:32 +0000
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                Re: Addressing Shared Stuff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-18 06:10 +0000
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                Re: Styles of addressing Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2026-09-06 20:21 +0300
                Re: Styles of addressing antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-08 15:08 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-08 20:11 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-09 00:35 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-09 08:19 +0200
                Re: Styles of addressing Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-09 10:58 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-10 06:16 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-10 17:22 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-10 22:42 +0200
                Re: Styles of addressing anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-11 06:32 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-09-10 17:02 -0400
                Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-11 06:33 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-11 08:55 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-11 17:54 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-11 23:19 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-11 22:05 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-12 09:30 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-12 13:23 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-12 13:18 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-12 17:09 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-09-11 23:25 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-12 08:38 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-12 09:09 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-15 09:17 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-14 16:24 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-15 06:34 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-12 17:15 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-09-12 19:13 +0100
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-12 18:14 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-13 03:28 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-13 14:27 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-13 14:58 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-13 16:09 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-13 17:38 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-13 17:34 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-14 14:43 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-14 15:44 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-14 18:01 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-09-16 13:14 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-17 16:47 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-17 19:38 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-17 21:25 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-09-21 22:10 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-18 16:38 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> - 2026-09-19 06:01 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-19 06:25 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-20 02:56 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-20 20:12 +0000
                Microarchitectural effects on performance (was: Optimization ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-21 06:55 +0000
                Re: Microarchitectural effects on performance (was: Optimization ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-21 17:04 +0000
                Re: Microarchitectural effects on performance (was: Optimization ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-23 05:39 +0000
                Re: Microarchitectural effects on performance (was: Optimization ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-23 18:34 +0000
                Re: Microarchitectural effects on performance Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-23 13:53 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-21 12:48 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-21 17:17 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-21 20:06 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-21 23:48 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-22 05:25 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-09-22 14:13 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-26 07:44 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2026-09-22 14:48 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-23 19:28 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-22 05:19 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-22 08:29 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-23 05:40 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-23 06:45 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-22 14:32 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:21 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-23 05:23 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-23 14:01 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-23 16:52 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-23 08:01 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-23 10:38 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-23 07:54 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-23 18:24 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-23 11:20 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-23 21:24 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-02 04:10 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-02 10:05 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-02 22:04 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-03 13:13 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-24 11:56 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-24 16:35 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-23 07:47 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-24 07:59 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-24 09:29 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-25 07:27 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-25 17:12 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-27 11:51 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-25 11:16 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-25 19:00 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-25 18:12 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-26 10:25 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-27 13:42 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-27 18:18 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-27 18:04 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-27 19:43 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-27 10:55 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-27 22:12 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-28 02:59 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-28 14:43 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-01 07:14 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-05 11:36 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:48 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-06 23:16 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-07 13:28 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-07 16:43 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-07 19:57 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-07 22:31 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-08 21:28 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-11 08:41 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-11 18:14 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-11 20:56 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-12 07:47 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-12 11:25 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-12 16:20 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-12 17:10 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-12 21:05 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2026-10-13 12:03 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-13 10:27 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:00 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-14 08:02 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-14 08:50 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-14 23:39 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2026-10-13 09:09 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-13 16:31 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-13 18:12 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:02 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-13 19:50 +0200
                Comment delimiters (was: Optimization by programmers) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-10-13 23:24 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-14 09:56 +0200
                Re: Comment delimiters (was: Optimization by programmers) George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-10-14 12:14 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters (was: Optimization by programmers) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-14 18:07 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters (was: Optimization by programmers) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-14 18:50 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-14 15:45 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-15 06:17 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-16 06:35 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-16 17:10 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-16 18:55 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-10-16 18:57 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-17 04:01 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-10-15 15:42 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-16 12:46 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-16 17:56 +0000
                Re: FORTRAN, was Comment delimiters John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-17 03:56 +0000
                Re: FORTRAN, was Comment delimiters Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-10-17 11:09 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-17 10:06 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-17 14:58 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-18 10:55 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-18 17:56 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-19 18:09 +0000
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-20 03:50 +0000
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2026-10-20 20:53 +0100
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 20:15 +0000
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-20 20:44 +0000
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-20 22:49 +0000
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2026-10-21 23:06 +0100
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-22 00:02 +0000
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2026-10-22 23:43 +0100
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-23 00:27 +0000
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2026-10-23 03:46 +0100
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-23 11:21 +0300
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-23 12:49 +0200
                Re: Algol, was more Fortran, Comment delimiters John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-21 03:28 +0000
                Re: Algol, was more Fortran, Comment delimiters quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-21 14:10 +0000
                Re: Algol, was more Fortran, Comment delimiters cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-21 20:11 +0000
                Re: Algol, was more Fortran, Comment delimiters cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-21 20:38 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-17 10:06 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-16 20:35 +0000
                Re: FORTRAN, was Comment delimiters John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-17 03:49 +0000
                Re: FORTRAN, was Comment delimiters MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:16 +0000
                Re: FORTRAN, was Comment delimiters quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-18 02:03 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-17 08:51 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 22:54 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-19 08:39 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-19 08:42 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-20 01:43 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters (was: Optimization by programmers) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-14 22:43 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters (was: Optimization by programmers) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-15 18:15 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-12 16:12 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-12 18:40 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-12 19:21 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-12 19:54 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 21:10 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-12 22:37 +0000
                Re: smashing constants, sort of like Optimization by programmers John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-13 00:35 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-13 18:40 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 15:47 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 15:41 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-12 18:37 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 21:07 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-12 22:35 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-17 02:03 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-07 22:25 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-07 20:05 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-07 23:25 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-07 22:36 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-08 22:05 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-09 16:36 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-07 16:49 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-07 22:13 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-08 05:46 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-08 12:05 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-08 22:55 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-28 19:58 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-29 15:44 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-09-30 13:57 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-30 17:50 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-05 11:47 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-30 18:03 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-30 17:49 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-01 06:58 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-02 20:38 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-02 21:23 -0700
                Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-03 11:12 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-05 12:45 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-06 08:29 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-07 18:29 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-10 14:18 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-10 17:31 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-11 15:40 +0000
                Re: Rust Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-10-11 14:26 -0400
                Re: Rust cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 19:14 +0000
                Re: Rust Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-12 21:15 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 19:13 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-10 22:28 +0300
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-11 09:27 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-11 22:43 +0300
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-06 05:01 -0700
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-06 15:21 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-07 05:41 -0700
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-07 14:23 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-10-06 21:18 -0400
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-06 22:17 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-03 14:25 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-03 21:08 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-05 12:29 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-12 01:49 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 13:05 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-05 12:29 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-28 15:34 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-29 12:42 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-28 10:54 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-27 17:39 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-27 21:23 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-29 16:53 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-09-27 11:46 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-27 14:42 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-28 06:12 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-28 07:57 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-28 08:56 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-28 11:06 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-28 14:32 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-27 16:40 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-28 01:58 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-29 10:16 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-02 05:31 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-24 19:52 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-24 13:52 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-25 11:06 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-25 05:43 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-23 05:49 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-23 10:45 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-25 05:39 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-25 14:36 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-25 14:45 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers aph@littlepinkcloud.invalid - 2026-10-04 08:15 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-04 12:15 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-04 14:16 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-04 16:36 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-04 17:46 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-04 20:04 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-06 02:17 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-06 10:05 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-19 12:06 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-19 15:56 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-20 10:46 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-20 14:24 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-20 11:52 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-20 15:09 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-21 05:27 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-20 12:13 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-20 15:35 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-20 16:43 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-21 20:23 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-20 11:49 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-20 07:31 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-22 20:01 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-22 20:52 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-23 13:17 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-22 16:50 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-03 05:28 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-03 04:38 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-05 13:55 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-05 22:54 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-06 06:35 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-06 02:53 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-10-06 14:55 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-21 15:16 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-22 06:15 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-24 17:05 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-26 09:18 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-22 19:57 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-14 16:31 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-14 16:58 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-15 06:45 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-15 06:53 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-15 17:21 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-15 16:00 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-15 19:40 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-18 15:58 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-11 10:15 +0200
                Re: Styles of addressing Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-11 08:54 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-11 10:54 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-06 15:56 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-06 21:46 +0000
  Re: Styles of addressing Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-01 12:07 -0700
    Re: Styles of addressing MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-01 20:04 +0000
      Re: PDP-10 Styles of addressing John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-02 01:15 +0000
        Re: PDP-10 Styles of addressing Kragen Javier Sitaker <kragen@canonical.org> - 2026-09-02 13:55 -0300
          Re: PDP-10 Styles of addressing John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-02 17:32 +0000
      Re: Styles of addressing Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-02 02:42 +0000
        Re: Styles of addressing Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:19 -0700
          Re: Styles of addressing Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-02 20:39 +0000
          Re: Styles of addressing scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-02 21:09 +0000
          Re: Styles of addressing John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-02 22:01 +0000
          Re: Styles of addressing anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-08 08:34 +0000
            Re: Styles of addressing Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-09 01:37 +0000
              Re: Styles of addressing Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-09 08:25 +0200
                Re: Styles of addressing Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-09 08:13 +0000
              Re: Styles of addressing anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-09 08:43 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-10 05:41 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-10 17:16 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-12 02:29 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-12 07:49 +0000
            Re: Styles of addressing Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-11 23:30 -0700
              Re: Styles of addressing anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-12 08:23 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-12 18:34 +0000
      Re: Styles of addressing Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-07 17:15 -0700

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